Elders Will Be Notified & WILL FIND YOU in the Hospital

by Aude_Sapere 63 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Scully
    Scully

    Aude:

    As a nurse, I am appalled at the way your information was leaked to the elders after you made your wishes known to them. This is an inexcusable violation of patient confidentiality. Any hospital employee or contractor or volunteer who is responsible for this kind of disclosure is subject to heavy penalties - including job termination, fines and jail time - where I live.

    My pushy, medical employee, JW sister forced them to give her my HIIPA # for access to me and my records by relaying my profile. I was pleased the hospital was protecting my privacy but then realized that the same person violated the privacy because the person on the phone (my sister) knew me so intimately.

    I suspect your sister and/or your mother may have been the source of the disclosure, but I would certainly insist on a full investigation by the hospital and require that those persons responsible for the leak be subjected to disciplinary action. Even the elder who visited you, as an authorized hospital volunteer, can be barred from performing "pastoral visits" if it becomes known that he (1) visited you contrary to your expressed wishes to be left alone; (2) used leaked information to find you.

    I have harped on this topic in the past: REMOVE any AMD, Power of Attorney for Health Care, or indication that you were a JW from your medical records. Do it NOW before a "situation" develops.

    Just as an aside, when you are admitted to hospital, ask for a NO VISITORS and NO PHONE CALLS and NO INFORMATION option on your admission report. That way, if people inquire about you, hospital staff is obliged to say that there is "no patient by that name" registered in the hospital. Ask the nurses to put a NO VISITORS - PLEASE GO TO THE NURSING STATION sign on your door. If anyone here has an unwelcomed visitor show up in their hospital room, you have THE RIGHT to push the EMERGENCY button on your call bell. Every nurse and orderly on the ward will run to your room and you should declare in a LOUD and DISTRESSED voice "HOW DID THIS PERSON GET IN HERE!?? MY PRIVACY IS BEING VIOLATED!!! GET THEM OUT NOW!!" The person will be directed to leave and not come back. If they do not leave, then Security will escort them out of the building. Then, insist on speaking to the Charge Nurse, the Nurse Manager, the Nursing Supervisor, and the Director of Nursing to file an Incident Report. A letter of complaint to the CEO of the hospital is also in order.

    The elder who visited you, Aude, needs to be reminded that he was in possession of information that was obtained by illegal means, and that if anything you said or did in his presence is relayed to the body of elders you will SUE HIM PERSONALLY and ANYONE TO WHOM HE DISCLOSED THE INFORMATION. He would be in breach of his signed oath of patient confidentiality with the hospital.

    Sincere wishes for a speedy recovery.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Good points and i'm printing it out now, Scully. Know your rights, folks, and exericse them up front. I'm going to send letters to the people who were my alternate HCPOAs just telling them I have selected someone else to act for me and to have the ones in the KH file destroyed. (Boy were we stupid). Rip up all the ones you have at home including your medical direction card (blood card).

    Blondie

  • TallTexan
    TallTexan

    Blondie,

    Most if not all hospitals have discontinued the practice of keeping charts in the hallway. My hospital has even done away with the boards at the nurses station that has the patient's name, admitting physician, code status, etc on it due to HIPPA laws.

  • TallTexan
    TallTexan

    Can't escape the long arm of the HLC....funny how they never visit anyone who's sick that's in good standing - only to see if you've been naughty.

    As far as violation of HIPPA laws, a hospital is allowed to give out the fact that a patient is in fact a patient (unless their admission status is marked specifically as confidential), their current condition (stable, critical, etc) and their room number. Other than that, we can't give out any information to anyone - even folks claiming to be family. Because of your previous AMD and the fact that it took some time to get the new one processed, the lag probably allowed the HLC to be notified without technically violating any laws. I agree with an earlier post, though, that if the delay in getting the new AMD processed is a hospital policy related issue, it should be changed. One of the first things we have to ask our patients is if they have an AMD, and if it is current. We can change it on the spot, with hospital personnel acting as witnesses.

    Tough spot to be in, and I don't envy you for it. I would have asked the guy "Hey, how come no shepherding visits in 15 years? If you really cared, I'd have heard from you before now, so beat it."

    If they could count time for visiting people in the hospital, there would never be a sick JW without 50 visitors in the room.....but you can't sell any books that way....

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    Rest well Aude. hoping you make a quick recovery. so sorry to hear of your ordeal.

    I must say I got a bit of a chill reading your story. How cold hearted is the Org to send their reps around to harass those in need of comfort. How could anyone participate in such a thing and even believe this to be the work of God? They must be out of their minds

    Just know that you are loved and there are people in this world who truly do care. Sending you love, healing vibrations, prayers, and warm fuzzy feelings.

    cybs

  • blondie
    blondie
    Most if not all hospitals have discontinued the practice of keeping charts in the hallway. My hospital has even done away with the boards at the nurses station that has the patient's name, admitting physician, code status, etc on it due to HIPPA laws.

    Maybe in Texas, but not in this area. I have checked all the hospitals and it is still the practice to leave the charts outside the room. Their excuse, they don't want to disturb the patient by going into the room. Even when I insisted, they regularly ignored my request until I called the administrator of the hospital and said they were risking a lawsuit. HIPPA laws were in place and we had been given the forms to read and sign. So the chart was left in our room but still left outside for all the others.

    Blondie (confidentiality is a joke, my experience after years of working with confidential information, I can keep a secret but many of my co-workers did not)

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    bttt - because it's a good reminder.

    Especially with all the newbies who may not have thought of this.

    -Aude.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    Ok as a nurse I will play devils advocate. We have a section on our admission paper work about seeing clergy spiritual guidance etc. It may MAY be that on your previous form there is a section on it that automatically kicks in to alert the elders if you are hospitalized. I forget what those jackassess on the committee call themselves but sometimes on JW charts we will see an automatic alert. Something along the line of "if I'm hospitalized please contact the XYZ committee representative." The idea being that they can 'protect' you from getting blood while bonked on the head and unable to make decisions yourself etc.

    It may be that this is the case. I am looking around for a JW chart but don't see one handy. Anyway BEFORE you get someone fired or get to worked up about it you may check to see if this is the case. If it is NOT the case then find out who did it and get them FIRED then sue the holy HELL out of that hospital!

    (then buy me a new car!)

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    We dont' keep ANY patient info ANYWHERE where it can be accessed all charts are at the nurses station. No names no NUTTIN' out in the general population area.

  • nugget
    nugget

    It always amazes me how pushy JWs are at totally inappropriate times. They think nothing of violating privacy and pursuing people until they get their man or woman. However they act just within the law in most cases so can't be touched. It makes me so cross they take so much pleasure from running someone down and exposing sin that they loose all humanity. I feel for you this was a dreadful experience and not something you should be having to deal with during a recovery.

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