by tepic 82 Replies latest members private
Blondie,
That is no joke about the sources of authority.
Most elders mtgs I have ever been to (a bunch) see the Bible opened very little.
In this case , they can't even try to use the Bible as authority as it does not tell how much time must pass before an 'unscriptural marriage' becomes a 'scriptural' one.
A brain teaser:
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w79 11/15 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***If
a man (or, a woman) ran off with another?s mate, could he be forgiven and accepted back into the Christian congregation?Still, there is no need to think that a case like this should be handled according to some human rule.
You mean like this one??
Pay Attention page 135
If he marries someone else while the innocent mate is still
willing to forgive his adultery and resume their marital
arrangement, his is an adulterous marriage. (Luke 16:18)
but then
Of course, now he has entered a new marriage and so cannot simply end it and return to the way things were before; the former marriage ended with the divorce, adultery and remarriage. (WT 79)
If you combine the 2 points above, one could never be reinstated as they would commit A everytime they have sex.
and yet:
there is no set length of time before reinstatement;(WT 79)
So after how long does the adulterous marriage become unadulterous?
I never could explain this all the years I was an elder
G'day tepic:
I never could explain this all the years I was an elderLegalism never can be! I've told Mrs Ozzie about your experience and she asks me to pass on to your wife her sympathies. As I mentioned before, "been there, done that". She understands more than you might realise how your wife feels. It happened to her too. Y'know, isn't it strange how your wife had this experience in your neck of the woods and yet on the other side of the world, downunder, my wife suffered similarly? It just goes to show that yours is not an isolated instance but is something that may be expected when men follow the directions and procedures of the WTS. Where to go from here? Look on the bright side, you've now seen the truth about "the Troof"! Now is the time to "get out of her, my people!" Cheers, Ozzie (lover of truth class)
I am perplexed why she went alone?......................... I do wish you had called the Police and an Ambulance that way they could have documented what occured and the condition they left her in. ........................................ I hope that you NEVER allow her in such a situation again.
I think it's a case of "you should have been there" From what I read, things took their natural (in Borg terms) course. I suspect that any loyal dub would naively have trusted the judgment of "the elders"
Yeah, weren't we naive?
Maybe your wife will see them for what they really are and stop trying to get reinstated. Perhaps the meeting went exactly how it was suppose to.
Moot point. Time for God to rescue your wife from the borg!
Oh tepic and dear wife...................you could have been sitting in on my reinstatement meeting (any of the 3 I had) and writing about me. It was very similair. As I read your post I relived the feelings and emotions, and felt your wife's pain to some extent.
At my first meeting an elder told me it was too soon and that Jehovah didn't want me back yet!
At my 2nd reinst. meetings the same elder asked me to think about the prodigal son's return. Yes, ok............I had been doing that anyhow, expecting mercy, seeing as though I was dféd for something I didn't do and on the statements of 2 sisters who said what the elders wanted me to have said! The elder asked me "so what part of the p. son's return home would have been the hardest and most humbling?" I thought, "what the hell is he getting at?" So I said........."I guess the last part of his return, as he gets close to the house and knows he'll see his father." He says, "That's right! Because at this stage the son doesn't know if his father will take him back and forgive him. And that's where you are now, you must walk that last bit now."
Loving, kind and gentle shepherding hey? Soul destroyers actually!
I feel for you and your wife. But the truth is time will help heal the pain, hurt and betrayal.
Hope we can get to know eachother here...............cheers, Bliss
And that's where you are now, you must walk that last bit now."
Which of course is heresy!
Mrs Ozzie's been reliving her experience too - so posters and lurkers alike out there, be warned, tepic's story is real, it's true, and it's most likely happening right now to someone else. Who knows? one day it may happen to you too!
It just came to me today that what really hit me hardest was this picture of 4 Pharisees standing back there by the door wanting to leave while I was sitting with my 'out of it' wife toward the front. And they were speaking in a loud voice because of the distance. Not one had the decency to walk up closer & speak in any kind of compassionate tone . The first time they mentioned it , I just said ' it's ok she just needs a little time '. I turned back around to her & it was not 2 min until they were pushing it again. (from a distance). Even with what I have seen, I was just stunned at their completely uncalled for rudeness.
A very enlightening ordeal, Tepic.
Question: What about the innocent wife you left in your previous marriage, and the adultery you and your present "wife" engaged in the entire time you were married to your former wife, who is still in the Truth and a regular pioneer, I believe. It took many months for your present "wife" and yourself to scheme & plan your divorce , in which you were finally successful. How much did your innocent wife suffer at the hands of your present "wife". Your present "wife" who applied for reinstatement only 4 months after the two of you married, and you were NOT scriputrally free to do so.
It seems to me that your present "wife" is suffering at the hands of her own actions, the consequences of immoral conduct for many years. How much TIME should it take for her to be reinstated? Certainly it would be at least the same amount of time it took for her to pry apart your former marriage. And while she was cleverly scheming to get rid of her spiritual sister, your present "wife" continued regular meeting attendance, as if she was completely innocent of any immoral wrong doing. Quite hypocritical behavior wouldn't you think?
Since the three of you still reside in the same small town area, it would be quite logical to keep in mind the cleanliness and viewpoints of the congregation, since they keenly remember you sitting in the very kingdom hal in which you are now attending, with your innocent wife, your arm around her, treating her very affectionately in public, and perhaps in private too. Yet the very next month you show up with a different wife, and the two of you are disfellowshipped. It is not difficult for anyone to figure out what happened.
As I understand it, she did give you the best sex of your life.
So you see friends, the COMPLETE truth is not always apparent in these brief and very biased descriptions of what happens when people are disfellowshipped. Sometimes it is truly discipline to restore the relationship between Jehovah and the disfellowshipped one that is boldly being resisted by the immoral parties involved.
Leebo
wow! i gather you two know each other?
