Tepic...man, sorry to hear about this dilema. Your poor wife......and poor you. Those elders [notice the "small" "e"?] are pretty weak. Not even one scripture...didnt they have time to have their pre-meeting meeting? Did you arrive early? That stuffs things up you know? Not enough time to work out the good cop/bad cop routine!!! get the scriptures and references worked out either. 2 years out and still not enough time? What happened to repentance? Would be easier to get back in if one was a pedophile. Beats the hell out of logic and love.............
wife's committee meeting
by tepic 82 Replies latest members private
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geevee
More info...straight from the KS book: Reinstatement While there should be no hasty action in reinstating disfellowshipped individuals, consideration should be given to a plea for reinstatement when this is requested. Once a year the body of elders reviews a list of those in the congregation territory who are disfellowshipped or 128 "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- disassociated. They will call on each one they select in order to see if he wants to return. (w91 4/15 pp. 22-3) The body will assign two elders to make each call, preferably elders familiar with the case. During a brief visit or two, the elders can kindly explain what the individual can do to return. They will report the results to the Congregation Service Committee, and the body will be informed at the next meeting of the elders. If someone asks about reinstatement or if by changing his course gives evidence of repentance and a desire to be reinstated, the authorized elders may speak with the individual and kindly explain what he needs to do in order to he reinstated. There is an advantage to having the elders who served on the judicial committee that disfellowshipped the individual also serve on the committee for the reinstatement if this is possible and they are still serving as elders in the congregation handling the request for reinstatement. In hearing pleas for reinstatement, elders need to be balanced. [om p149] Genuine repentance and a turning away from the wrong course--not the attitude of others or merely the time elapsed--are the chief determining factors in deciding when a person may be reinstated. (1 Cor. 5:1, 11-13; 2 Cor. 2:6, 7) Elders should be sure that sufficient time has passed for the disfellowshipped person to prove that his profession of repentance is genuine. (it-2 p. 771 ) [w79 11/15 p31; om p149] Consider the overall pattern of his life. Does it now show that he is repentant? (w77 3/1 p. 152 par16) If so, elders will guard against going to extremes by exacting a point-by-point admission of sins that may not have been clearly proved. UNIT 5 (c) 129 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where there is evidence of conspiracy between individuals to put away their mates and marry each other, considerable time should elapse before a hearing for reinstatement may be held. (w79 11/15 pp. 31-2) If it is determined that the wrongdoer is sincerely repentant, has discontinued his former wrong conduct, and is doing works that befit repentance, he can be reinstated. (Compare Acts 26:20.) The decision to reinstate is made by a judicial committee of the congregation that took the disfellowshipping action. The secretary should sign and return the S-79b card to the Society immediately. (om pp. 149-50) If the disfellowshipped person has moved, his request for reinstatement may be heard by a local judicial committee where he is now attending meetings. Thereafter, that committee will give the body of elders of the congregation that disfellowshipped the individual its recommendation. If the two congregations are reasonably close to each other, the judicial committee of the congregation that took the disfellowshipping action should meet with the disfellowshipped individual after receiving the recommendation of the committee of the congregation where he made his plea for reinstatement. [New Directive: 5th Feb 1994 ? If the Judicial Committee that disfellowshipped has reservations about the re-instatement, they should clearly explain to the new judicial committee what these are.] Reinstatement is announced in the congregation where the person was disfellowshipped as well as in the congregation where he now attends. When an individual is reinstated, he will still need much spiritual assistance. The elders should see that definite arrangements are made to help the person regain spiritual health and strength. (Col. 2:7; Titus 2:1, 2) They may arrange for a Bible study to be conducted, which would be reported as field service. 130 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Restrictions should be imposed to help the person see the need of continuing to make 'straight paths for his feet' and also out of consideration for the congregation's conscience. (Heb. 12:13) The privilege of sharing in the field service is restored when the individual is reinstated. Other privileges, such as commenting at meetings, handling parts on the program, and offering prayer at meetings, can be restored progressively when it is determined that the individual has progressed spiritually to the point that he is qualified and when it is judged by the elders that the extending of such privileges will not be offensive to the congregation. It will be up to the elders of the congregation where he now is located to decide when certain privileges may be restored. Circumstances of each case govern the length of time that should elapse before recommending a reinstated brother for additional privileges and responsibility. [w97 1/1 p29] Carefully consider possible effects if the individual were to be appointed. Would it be a cause for stumbling among the brothers? The privilege of serving as ministerial servant or elder can be recommended only after he has had ample time to prove himself to be irreprehensible and is again "free from accusation" and has "freeness of speech." (1 Tim. 3:2, 9, 10, 13) He must live down the reproach and build up a convincing record of righteousness, which may take a number of years. If wrongdoing occurred in another congregation, the feelings of members of that congregation should be considered. In cases of scandal, he might not be able to live down his wrongdoing sufficiently to qualify for an appointment to serve as a ministerial servant or an elder for a very long time. [** w97 1/1 p29 par2. {Child sexual abuse}] UNIT 5 (c) 131 Tepic......check the references.
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blondie
Authority Sources for Elders (in order of importance)
1. Phone calls to Bethel
2. Letters from the Slave to the BOEs (there are sometimes non-letters such as the directive to the BOEs regarding taking a blood transfusion being a DAing offences not a DFing offense)
3. Pay Attention to the Flock book and Notes in the Margin from #2 and #4
4. Statements from the CO (DO sometimes)
5. WT Publications such as Organized book and Watchtower articles
6. Bible
One long-time elder told me that the letters to the BOEs used at last have one scripture or two but less and less do they even bother to put Matthew 24:45-47, the ultimate "scriptural" foundation for anything the WTS/FDS says.
Another elder told me of a situation where an elder brought in scriptures to discuss during an elder's meeting and was laughed at.
The elders in your situation do not resemble the Jesus in this account. Here's a scripture for those brothers.
After he had come down from the mountain great crowds followed him. And, look! a leprous man came up and began doing obeisance to him, saying: "Lord, if you just want to, you can make me clean." And so, stretching out [his] hand, he touched him, saying: "I want to. Be made clean." And immediately his leprosy was cleansed away. MATTHEW 8:1-3
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Tepic
So sorry to hear such an account. How terrible for you and your wife to have to deal with such lack of love - I am sure that Jesus would 'vomit them out of his mouth'! How cold and heartless!!!
I do not know your history - haven't seen many of your posts I guess. Are you out too [df'd or da'd] - do you and her both want to be back in the organization?
Sounds like you have spent your life there - as we did before leaving a year or so back now.
Thoughts and concern with you -
Jeff
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Honesty
She said they told her that even if Jehovah has forgiven her, they have a responsibility to the cong-etc.
Pricks.
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JustTickledPink
I am sooo sorry to hear this.
I just talked to someone who had been DF'd and had been attending meetings for a year and a half faithfully and requested 4 times for a meeting to get reinstated, told the elders she was "having a real hard time dealing with being DF'd" The only response from the elders were "Back in Isrealite days the whole congregation would have stoned you to death, so consider yourself lucky"
What cold &*(*&*&^*#&^*#^#$&^$!!!!
I am truly sorry.
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tepic
I am thoroughly disgusted by how these Appointed By Holy Spirit? Elders? treated your wife. It sounds almost like she had a petit mal seizure.
This lack of concern on their part is just appalling.
And they wonder why people want nothing to do with JWs....
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chrissee
((tepic & wife))
Reading this, this morning really upset me also. I feel for you and your wife. I hope she can come to an understanding that people shouldn't treat anyone like that. 4 elders there, I'd feel like I was being ganged up on and be upset too. Especially if I was thinking I'd get a little comfort from 'God's' people.
love & sympathy,
Chrissee
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ozziepost
My dear tepic:
I guess I should first of all say Welcome! We're a little slow downunder!
You know, down here there are several who have suffered in very similar ways as your dear wife has experienced and they are now posting with us on JWD. Such is the self-defeating nature of the actions of bodies of elders. They are literally driving people away. So much for "loving shepherds"! The reality is they don't exist, it's a fraud.
My own wife, Mrs Ozzie herself has quite a tale she could tell. There again, if it weren't for the elders, and not inexperienced ones at that but Bethel elders, she would probably still be attending the Kingdom hall. How stupid they are!
The truth is that elders are inexperienced men often on a power kick, and they certainly aren't equipped or trained to handle most of the "cases" that come before them. Just imagine, as you've read from geevee the elders have to look at their manual to check off what to do! How can that be an evidence of christian love? It can't!
Another aspect that your wife's experience highlights is the tremendous, overpowering stress that some sisters feel when facing three or more men in a room alone. Is it any wonder they experience emotional problems as a result? It's a heinous crime, IMO, and part of the abusive system that has been erected by the WTS.
What to do now? Remove your wife and yourself from ever associating with such people again. No doubt you are used to prayer - pray now that God may show you the right path, look in His Word, and you'll be comforted.
My very best to you.
Ozzie (been there, done that class)
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Bryan
Tepic and wife
Bryan
Have You Seen My Mother