by freemindfade 115 Replies latest social current
I see... I still think that is insanity
There is never going to be a paradise earth where all the people that are mean are magically wiped from the earth.
And still there is no comparison to an AntiFa, you don't like fox and trump and white males, so you will sell your should to defend the likes of these maniacs instead of realizing they are WAY worse.
They are not just jerks, but they are waging a (clearly expressed) war on free speech. You have your political priorities all out of whack dude.
"I don’t like this. I don’t like it. Obviously Ann Coulter’s outrageous — to my mind, off the wall. But you know, people have a right to give their two cents-worth, give a speech, without fear of violence and intimidation. To me, it’s a sign of intellectual weakness. If you can’t ask Ann Coulter in a polite way questions which expose the weakness of her arguments, if all you can do is boo, or shut her down, or prevent her from coming, what does that tell the world? What are you afraid of — her ideas? Ask her the hard questions. Confront her intellectually. Booing people down, or intimidating people, or shutting down events, I don’t think that that works in any way.”-Bernie Sanders
The Regressive-left has become the new idiot champions, out dumbing the old guard of the far-right.
Hear! Hear! @ FMF.
Sylvia
This discussion was about a group that is effectively suppressing free speech, not just in America, but at one of its historical free speech institutions. Its good reason for alarm. In walks VI and bohm, and all they can do is complain about right wingers, and how awful they are.
I'll say it again, they aren't stopping anyone from speaking at colleges, why are we talking about them? You want to start a discussion on all the things you hate about conservatives go for it, but is it possible to keep this one on track?
Freemindfade,
I see... I still think that is insanity
Insanity on both sides or only on the side that you oppose?
There is never going to be a paradise earth where all the people that are mean are magically wiped from the earth.
Irrelevant to the topic. Nothing that I've said has any reference to perfection or paradise.
And still there is no comparison to an AntiFa, you don't like fox and trump and white males, so you will sell your should to defend the likes of these maniacs instead of realizing they are WAY worse.
Worse than White Nationalism and Neo-Nazis? As far as not liking white males I happen to be a white male. As for selling my "should" I believe you're referring to soul.
They are not just jerks, but they are waging a (clearly expressed) war on free speech. You have your political priorities all out of whack dude.
My political priorities, as far as this subject is concerned, includes free speech. In fact I just told, a few posts ago, you that I believe in free speech even for JWs. Why do you keep saying otherwise?
Worse than White Nationalism and Neo-Nazis
Oh brother...
Neo-nazis are complete morons, and their ideas are sick, pretty sure we are all on the same page there. But at the end of the day, these white nationalists, they just make a lot of irritating noise. AntiFa on the other hand has actually affected our values. They have succeeded in censorship and shitting on our first amendmen through this Berkely nonsense. This who is worse bullshit is so stupid and not a trap I am going to walk into.
If ANYONE (neo-nazi or AntiFa) threatens others they are BAD. We aren't the word police or thought police so anyone they can say all the stupid shit they want. BFD. Everyone has the right to say mean and hateful things, not everyone has the right to threaten others then carry out those threats.
AntiFa is threatening and making good on its threats and it has officially worked. Apples and oranges
Freemindfade,
In walks VI and bohm, and all they can do is complain about right wingers, and how awful they are.
As I've said before, it is the right wing media and Republican/conservative/alt-right groups that initiated all this hate-monger. I shouldn't have to define the word "initiated" so I'll use a simpler one. They started it. As I've said before, 30 years of conservative hatemongery on right wing radio and 20 years on right wing television has created this situation.
As I've also said before conservatives are like the bully that punches and punches his victim and then, when his victim punches back the bully shouts: "You see, you see! That is why he deserves to be punched!
How more examples should I have to give?
Well so far you have not given a single example of Fox news inspiring murder, I doubt you can come up with something concrete where they call for people to be killed. Whether you like it or not, the right and conservatives are usually all about law and order, far more than the left ever is.
If you believe that fox news inspires murder then we can equally make the claim that Obama and multiple BLM leaders have "inspired" the murder of police officers and many other people and caused untold property damage. There is a much clearer link - they stand up and say "do XYZ".
Your arguments about responding to words also makes it acceptable for people to beat up anyone for having opinions they disagree with.
Is that really the reality you live in?
But at the end of the day, these white nationalists, they just make a lot of irritating noise.
Irritating noise? Like the man who punched an anti-Trump protestor at a Trump speech who was being escorted out? Like the hundreds of hate crimes carried out by them before any of this. As I've said and continue to repeat, The right-wing started this fight.
The right-wing started this fight.
No they didn't! unless you believe that simply by being assholes they deserve to be treated with violence, otherwise to quote rambo, AntiFa "drew first blood", quite a few times actually until now the two groups are brawling. That jackass punching that girl was not the beginning of this like you seem to imply. No Antifa had already been attacking trump supporters with violence for some time. They only recently started to retaliate. Stop trying to rewrite history and make it seem that a neo-nazi punched a liberal girl then everyone got mad, NOOOO that's not what happened!!
As bad as you want to blame mean people, all you are doing is essentially saying free speech caused this. If there was no free speech we wouldn't need Antifa thugs to silence people who say mean things by any means necessary.
Absolute stupidity
