To disasociate or not to disasociate? That is the question

by Brother Beyond 40 Replies latest members private

  • flower
    flower

    Its all about family imo. If you love your family and want them in your life then dont do it. Even if they arent that great a family and you think you dont care about having them in your life think about it hard because reality bites. When you wake up one day and realize your family, your history, your past is gone..your may be sorry. Consider yourself lucky that you can walk away without the DF title hanging over your head.

    If it was me I would just leave and not give them anything official. Heck let them think for years that you may come back one day. You still have your family and most familys dont want to follow the stupid shunning rule..there only out is if you are just 'weak in the faith'...if you are DF'd or DA'd you are gonna lose them for sure.

    flower

  • Princess
    Princess

    Gumby,

    I see your point. However, we did not skirt around the issue either. When we "faded" we actually just quit. We never pretended we were just inactive. We started celebrating birthdays and holidays very openly. When I went to visit my best friend for the last time, I told her we were never going back. She asked if we still considered ourselves JW's and I said no. We were totally honest with anyone who asked. In our case, there was no contradiction.

    With some, if they are trying to hide, possibly they are still playing by the rules of the WTS. Like many have mentioned though, it all boils down to family. Some will do anything to preserve the family ties. We were lucky that it wasn't an issue with us. We would have been sad to lose the family connections.

  • shamus
    shamus

    That post makes me rethink if I should DA myself... if The WTBTS wants me to DA, then am I not just playing into their hands?

  • rwagoner
    rwagoner

    For me....

    Living a secret double life wondering when someone will "catch" you doing something against THEIR rules is playing into their hands...

    Hiding your xmas tree behind pulled shades....forgoing your right to vote because you cant let anyone see you at the polling place...that is playing into their hands...

    Letting them hold some bogus hearing for some offense against the Dub's that you most likely never committed and then letting them tell everyone you know that you are a Massive sinner and they should avoid you at all cost....THAT is playing into their hands...

    When I DA'd the goons showed up at my house and told me...actually told me....that even if I didn't believe...I should stay in to make it easier on my family...

    DA'ing is like shouting "IM FREE...THIS IS BS....I DONT BELIEVE !" as loud as you can....

    Da'ing is saying "THIS IS A FAKE MANMADE RELIGIOUS CULT AND I CHOOSE TO LEAVE !"...

    I have family still in the org...Mom & Dad....and yes...they believe what the org says and walk the Org line on shunning. But those are their rules not mine.

    If I want to call them...I call them. If I want to go and visit....I go visit. If that makes them uncomfortable fine. The choice to shun me or not is theirs...my door is open...my phone works I will not allow the ORG to deny me my parents...because I dont have to follow JW rules....why not ?...because I DA'd and I am NOT A JW.

    To be real honest...what difference does it make if it what you want or what they want. If you don't believe GET OUT...why would you want to stay.

    Do you really think your family doesn't know if you fade away...so then you both are living a lie....if they will associate with you when you have faded...knowing how you feel....but stop after the "official word"....how hypocritical is that.....

    I dont mean to rant but this is such a sore subject..pet peeve...whatever you want to call it.

    I see the people that fade....who seem to want all the freedom of leaving without paying the price. Life is full of decisions and consequenses and personally...again..just me....I have more respect for people who actually step up and say..."THIS IS BULLS**T AND I DONT BELIEVE !"

    But then again...I'm a jerk...ask anybody.

    RGW

  • JT
    JT
    Right on the money my friend. With the WTS, always follow the money. Lawsuits are expensive and, win or lose, suck up money that could be used elsewhere. They will not change because people are suffering, but when it comes down to money, they find a way to change the rules. Bug

    you know for me that is reason enough to REFUSE TO SEND IN A DA LETTER

    just think if one day some real good lawyer who is able to sue wt for emotional distress of members and only those who have not Legally renouced can't sue.

    as you stated follow the money

    Since the Wt is no more than an American book publishing corp -by complying to wt legal dept wishes- it is the same as if the folks on the Staten Island ferry sign over thier RIGHTS TO SUE

    After being "Dicked" around for 30yrs by wt -the He!! if I am going to willing Sign Over my rights to Sue them

    You must be out of your mind

    as i stated the mere FACT that the wt Wants you to send in that letter

    that is why elders UNBEKNOWN TO THEM are always telling a person who questions THE ORG

    WHY DON'T YOU JUST WRITE A LETTER

    and unbeknown to the elder requesting and the publisher complying they are signing away their rights

    as i told you wt is a corp, and just like most of us turn in a letter of resignation when we leave a company and it frees the corp from any legal responibity to us, wt does the exact same thing

    think about this --the entire concept of "WRITING A LETTER" is straight out of wt playbook

    and they know how to work their playbook

  • JT
    JT
    I see your point. However, we did not skirt around the issue either. When we "faded" we actually just quit. We never pretended we were just inactive. We started celebrating birthdays and holidays very openly. When I went to visit my best friend for the last time, I told her we were never going back. She asked if we still considered ourselves JW's and I said no. We were totally honest with anyone who asked. In our case, there was no contradiction.

    excellent point and that is what we did, we just left and went on living our lives, if they hear we attended some christmas party so what

    what they did or didn't do we could care less= and by fading what usually happens is the first few months a person may "Pretend" but with the passing of time they are making new friends and becoming more solid in their decision and one will reach the point where you Literal don't give a Rat A$$ what the "Cheese andm Cracker Men" do or don't do.

    like you said no contridiction- in fact when we see jw in the store we F*%K with them

    "Hey How you doing, and then turn around and tell the folks in line "You see we used to attend the same church but snce we left she is forbidden to speak to us or she will get kick out":

    person in line__" Tell me you are kidding which church-"

    me: " O the Jw"

    person in line "I always knew they were crazy"

  • JT
    JT
    ....I have more respect for people who actually step up and say..."THIS IS BULLS**T AND I DONT BELIEVE !"

    that is wonderful, but I deal with the person who is dealing with the depression of not being prepared

    we have had so many folks at our home who only wish they had done it differently or waited till they had prepared better

    to believe as you do that ONE RULE fits all is very short sighted allow me to give you 2 real life examples

    1. A single woman became a jw in college at 21, at 26 she realized this was bogus- she had no family who were jw, when she left her ENTIRE FAMILY told her we understand that you were just trying to find yourself, we figured let her try out her new religion and like any other fad it will get old-

    so for her there was no lose and so when she told me she was going to DA it was NO LOSE

    CASE 2 -

    a married woman whose husband is an elder and she has 3 kids and has been pioneering for the last 18yrs no job skills and her family and his family are both "PILLARS' in the congo-

    after learning this aint the truth she too wanted to "Make a Statement" i guess much like you-- "I'm Freeeeeee!!!"

    but we discussed after she makes that annoucment thrusday night what will happen to her on Friday Morning-

    the issue of no skill, no money, no job, possible loss of her child and i Know!!!!!!!!!!!111 cause in my bookstudy was a DR who worked for the Society as an Expert Witness in child custody cases, she traveled all over th US testifyiing with the wt lawyers or ones favorble to wt position Keeping NON-JW parents from aruging that the religion was harmful to the kids

    so here she is no cash no skill, no job and no how will she even argue that the kids would be better off with her

    so we suggested fading and to take the time to build a new cliente of friends, which she did, she came off the list, got a job, and started making her move to get out, she started talking to her kids and found out THEY WERE READY TO GO

    TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT she fading , got herself setup and was able to get joint custody and with the money she has and what he give her she is able to make it- just recently since he was no longer able to serve as an elder due to family problems

    he soon found that all his friends were CONDITIONAL AND IT made him take a fressh look at things, currently he is reading Rays book- despite living in separate homes they are spending time together "I think he is getting alittle "Nookey" while he is over there as well smile

    my point is her life would have been entirely different, many times each person must take into consideration thier cirucmstances not whether YOU will respect them or not

    as you stated this is a pet peeve, well it is also mine as well

    my wife and i have worked with so many jw here in Wash DC and we know that there is no One size fits all

    I don't mean to Dog you per say, but your comment in my view shows how little consideration you are giving to others who may not be in your circumstances

    you see i say and Advocated that same mindset that you have displayed when i was a jw

    if sister old can pioneer why can't you sister young, yes the One size fits all and in the real world that is not the case

    and the same when we leave wt the way you or i leave may not be the way another person needs to leave and they SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED AS BEING SOMEHOW LESS

    just my 2

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    JT,

    Its damn good to have you drop in now and then.

    Steve

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956

    I was one that just walked away and did not send in a letter of resignation. Some have said that is like hanging on the fence, have even questioned my courage. So let me tell you why.

    I don't recognize the organization as anything more than a bunch of senile men trying to play apostle. I don't view them as having any authority over me one way or another. In meeting with them and asking for them to disfellowship me, that implies that they have some power of judgement over me. They do not. In writing a letter of resignation to them, that plays into their power too in that they get to read it to the congregation and the ooohs and ahs and what a shames set in, and the gossip about what happened and so sad. And I believe that is giving them power or at least some energy they don't deserve.

    My family all know that I am not going back, I have a same sex partner. I am open about that with anyone and everyone. I don't live in a place where anyone knows I was ever a jehovah's witness unless I tell them so. I couldn't reflect badly on thier organization, they do a good enough job of that on their own.

    So, since all of this is only my humble opinion, and opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, my advice to you is to follow your heart. You'll find that is actually a choice you can make and trust to make. Good luck to you with your newfound freedom!

    Gretchen

  • gumby
    gumby
    in fact when we see jw in the store we F*%K with them

    "Hey How you doing, and then turn around and tell the folks in line "You see we used to attend the same church but snce we left she is forbidden to speak to us or she will get kick out":

    person in line__" Tell me you are kidding which church-"

    I would hope your kidding JT! You do this to ones you knew?

    I would think you would realise that these who shun you are doing just as you used to behave as a dub. Would you have wanted someone to humiliate you like that when you were a dub? Frankly I'm a bit surprised. It's not the better way to counter dubism.

    Gumby

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