To disasociate or not to disasociate? That is the question

by Brother Beyond 40 Replies latest members private

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32

    Gumby:

    My point is, in THAT respect........some STILL have to 'play by their rules'

    Formally disassociating yourself is acknowledging the WTS has some power/control over you...otherwise you wouldn't respect their rule about disassociating yourself. (Yes, some do it for closure reasons and I respect that.)

    Not telling your family the "truth" about why you left and putting up with their occasional nags is hardly following WTS rules. I see no contradiction. This is a game you have to play to keep some sort of contact with dubs.

  • archangel01
    archangel01

    Let Them know where YOU stand!!!!!!!!! Disasociate is the way to go. That way you are not hanging on the fence. Plus it's an outward statement to everyone that YOU want to Follow the ONE TRUE GOD OF SCRIPTURE an Not the wts! GOD Will Bless You. Accept Jesus as your personal Lord an Savior Today an Be Saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    Plus it's an outward statement to everyone that YOU want to Follow the ONE TRUE GOD OF SCRIPTURE an Not the wts!

    I understand what you're saying, but the JWs will never see a disassociation is a positive way. When I heard a DA announcement (when I was a dub), I never thought "wow, he's really standing up for what he thinks is right...maybe the troof is wrong!" The only thing dubs think is that you've gone the way of Satan. It may be seem like a noble move to the one DA'ing himself, but dubs will NEVER see it that way. That's the main reason I think it's pointless.

  • Insomniac
    Insomniac

    I thought about disassociating myself, but then I thought, hell, I don't owe them a darned thing. Not even goodbye.

  • shamus
    shamus

    Bah.

    Tell them what they don't want to hear. If they want to hear you DA yourself, then don't. If you are intending on shocking ppl, then give er. Don't feel that you owe those idiots a stamp, if you absolutley have to.

    I am DAing myself... but I have no family in the org. If I did it would be a different story...

  • JT
    JT

    let em share with you where this entire concept of "Dissassocation" came from and then you decide-

    one of my mentors at bethel explained to a group of us young bucks how this came about his name is RP Johnson, he is known is the Service Dept as a "Troubleshooter"
    for the society, he will fly out to an area and remove entire bodies of elders and appoint men on THE SPOT AS ELDERS

    he explained to us that it DA is the brainchild of the Legal Dept to enable the wt to be free of legal liablity

    in many countries if a young man went to the army he would be hauled into a committee and dfed, well in some countries the gov views this judical action as forcing a citizen to renounce serving his country

    so the society needed a way to get folks like that "He!! Out" without having to be libel

    so the legal dept along with the service came up with this wonderful concept called DA - where one by letter or Actions- ( THAT HAVE BEEN DEFINED BY THE SOCIETY) would constitute grounds for classifying one as being DAed

    so what they are now able to do is avoid having the elders take any ACTION such as calling you, setting up a committee meeting, meeting with the person again and then finally making a decision,

    instead they are able to get you A$$ without having to lay a finger on you

    in fact the society WANTS YOU TO SEND THAT LETTER-- o yea baby- they want you to send that letter

    in fact they are going to continue to move wt violations over from DFing Status to DAed status in due to protecting them

    in fact they have recently moved TRANSFUSION from DFing to DA,. the legal ramification is to great to have a sick person A BEING THREATEN WITH a Judical committee if they take the blood

    it is viewed as coreicion- so instead now they simply find out you took blood and say

    "She has DA herself by her action" case closed and the elders never had to touch the case, the society's service dept was never called about how to handle this case-

    it's like big time drug dealers don';t haul drugs around in their car and they are always sitting at some Huge Party on thier yachts when Leroy is getting shot in the streets of /Detriot

    yep they keep their hands clean- same with wt now

    in fact from what i understand more and more issues will be moved over from DF to DA

    so while for some it give them closure and that is good, for others they are not fully prepared for the backlash

    each person must decide for themselves

    When folks come to the net and mention they are concerned about how THEIR FAMILY WILL TAKE IT

    to me that is a flag that DA might be something to consider latter

    but if one comes here and says-- my folks, cousin, bro sister can kiss my "Black A$$"

    then DA will have no affect on you

    i tell folks to always make sure before you cut all ties and that is what DA often does due to the wt programming in its; memebers to view you as wicked-

    the wt has programmed jw to react like an ATM Machine on the 3rd WRONG TRY with your PIN number it SHUTS DOWN

    and that is how JW are programmed to act- if that will not bother you THEN GO FOR IT, BUT if at this point it will then hold up

    personally since i know what the basis is for the wt asking for you to DA yourself i wouldn't waste the paper and stamp, but hey that just me-

    we faded and it was the best way to go, for after a period of time you don't really give a Sh!t what they think

    but more important in my view is you give yourself time to BUILD ANEW CLIENTE OF FRIENDS

    and the reason why is that most former jw ONLY HAD JW friends and when one DA themselves and they have not built up a cliente of new friends a DEEP DEPRESSION SITS IN FAST

    my wife and i used to have 20-30 former jw, dfed , da and just plain ole tired and wore out jw- smile

    here at the house to help them make the transition to THE REAL WORLD and it ain';t easy

    all im trying to say is WHY MAKE THE TRANSITION HARDER THAN IT HAS TO BE

    So that is why i often recommend fading due to the fact that most persons are simply NOT PREPARED FOR THE BACKLASH

    keep this in mind :

    if you decide to fade and you get to that point where it matters not- you can always DA down the roadf

    but once you DA, if you are not ready, YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK to Pre-DA days

    so it often times revolves around the relationship with family and friends

    by fading it made it possible to help others since according to THIER RULES THEY COULD STILL TALK TO YOU-

    SO WE used to used it to Pose THINKING QUESTION if we had DA we would not even have been able to talk to them, if it matters not to you THEN GO FOR IT

    but we were able to help my inlaws, mother, bro and sister to see

    they knew i was very serious about this religion, elder, bethelite, and then all of a sudden i gave up ALL TITLE

    so they wanted to know why AND WE started dropping seeds of questions

    and in a couple of days my inlaws will be here in DC for some good times

    just my 2

    if yo like feel free to call me

    here in DC---301-209-4629

    or at

    [email protected]

  • Shutterbug
    Shutterbug
    he explained to us that it DA is the brainchild of the Legal Dept to enable the wt to be free of legal liablity

    Right on the money my friend. With the WTS, always follow the money. Lawsuits are expensive and, win or lose, suck up money that could be used elsewhere. They will not change because people are suffering, but when it comes down to money, they find a way to change the rules. Bug

  • CC Ryder
    CC Ryder

    Hey Brother Beyond...Welcome!..In our case (my wife and I) the Elders made the decision for us because we refused to go to a committee meeting for being "caught" sending a Xmas card to her sister (not a JW). We were trying to fade out. Her Bro-in-law was visiting her sister and saw the card and turned my wife in to the Elders. We had not been to a meeting or reported time in over a year, at the time. So the Elders gave us an ultimatum to be at a committee meeting to get badgered and pressured...or...they will consider us dis-associated. We took the later and never looked back.

    My wife's family (two sisters and two brothers still JW's) shun us. This was hard at first, but gradually has become not such a big deal. She has 6 more siblings that are not JW's that we can associate with.

    Some of the other posters make a good point. You have to consider the consequences in your particular situation all the way around, which is not easy.

    If you try to fade you have to expect the possibility that they may drag you into a JDC meeting for any infraction or miss-step you may make (miss-step in their eyes that is). Good luck! I look forward to reading more of your posts hope you stick around.

    CC

  • rwagoner
    rwagoner

    I was in for 20 years...Elders son...being "groomed"....left the org and faded for short awhile but realized that, FOR ME, that fading made me just as much of a hypocrit as they are.

    I was either in or out....for me to fade away...and live a non JW life...made me a non-JW.

    People write about not "playing by their rules"...I think DA'ing is a freeing experience. They can't touch me now and "I AM THE ONE WHO MADE THE DECISION"....they couldn't get up on stage and say that THEY DF'd me...they had to say the I CHOSE to leave. I think sometimes that makes people wonder why would someone like that just decide to leave.....

    They also can't control my life anymore...or make me feel like I have to hide anything...or sneak around.

    My family that is still in the JW's do shun me...but I contact them all the time...call them, stop by...whatever. If that makes them uncomfortable too bad, I'm sorry...ok Not really... They are not in charge of my life and I don't have to follow their rules...since I'm not a JW anymore. If they feel that strongly that they don't want contact with me...let them get a restraining order. *LOL*

    Just my opinion and not everyone is as obnoxious as me.....

    RGW

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Hi BB, Welcome,

    I wanted to know who would accept me and who would reject me early on. I wasn't dependant on any of them. I gave them their chances to answer my questions about the group practices and error delivered as fact. They all passed on the questions and they all passed on me. I was glad to know who I could count on and who I could not. They all stayed with the book publishing company. I could care less at this point. I have moved on without them in my life. Now they are like neighbors I used to live by years ago. They are really not important or missed.

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