Tennis Controversy in Australia

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  Rivergang

  "Fully Vaccinated Australians In Hospital for COVID-19 Surpass Unvaccinated"

  Firstly, this headline in The Epoch Times is incorrect when it claims that the number fully vaccinated Australians requiring hospital admission for COVID-19 exceeds those who are unvaccinated. The statistics that this article goes on to quote are not for the entire country, but for the state of New South Wales only.

  Furthermore, a reader could be further misled if they failed to read this article in its entirety - particularly the following:

  However, based on the data presented, unvaccinated individuals appear to be six times more likely to be hospitalised and nearly 13 times more likely to be sent to ICU than those who are fully vaccinated.

  
  

  It is true that in NSW, 50.5% of those admitted into Intensive Care for COVID-19 are fully vaccinated. However, those vaccinated make up 93% of the eligible population.

  This contrasts with the 7% of the eligible population who are not vaccinated - but whom still comprise 49.1% of the COVID-19 admissions into Intensive Care. In other words, a small minority of the population is making up almost half of those requiring Intensive Care treatment for COVID-19.

  "Statistics do not lie". Careful with that one! Statistics are only meaningful if they are interpreted correctly (speaking here as somebody who has spent much of their working life involved in the field of Industrial Measurements).
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  Vidqun

  Let's follow this graph over time and see where it leads. The one group is going up and the other group is going down. I think NSW is a good indicator of what is happening in Australia. By the way, why are the hospitals and ICUs filling up with the vaccinated? Is the vaccinated not supposed to be protected from COVID? If not, is the vaccinations perhaps not working? What is the point of a mandate then? At this stage they need to emphasize how bad the unvaccinated are and how wonderful the vaccines are. That's all they can do. If they repeat it indefinitely, it will eventually become true.

  
  
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  Anony Mous

  @RiverGang: statistics can indeed lie, the term fully vaccinated has a rather fluid definition, it applies only to people who got all 3 or 4 shots in the last few months. If you get, 1-2 shots or you got your booster 6 months ago, you are no longer considered vaccinated.

  So you can’t compare the numbers in regards people that received a vaccine in the last 2 years (80-90% of people) with the “unvaccinated hospitalized” definition because those are two different sets of people. In the US at least, the CDC admitted that 50% of the people considered hospitalized for COVID are actually there for different primary reasons, I’m sure other countries have similar measurement issues. According to Kaiser-Permanente, one of the largest medical systems in California, the omicron and delta variant had people hospital stays reduced from 2 weeks to 3 days, indicating the majority of cases aren’t severe enough to even require a stay in the hospital (such as parents rushing to the ER when their kid has a cough). Only 1 person in their system seems to have died “from omicron” instead of “with omicron”, none required a ventilator.

  Due to the Biden admin approval rating dipping below that of Donald Trump at his worst, they are quickly adjusting all their messages and measurements here in the US to make them look better. The CDC and Fauci are now changing messaging on everything from stats to vacc to mask to lockdown. One could say, it will definitely be more according to what many doctors in the Great Barrington Declaration wrote would actually be more scientific. Whether other countries will follow is another question, people in Australia would have to stand up to their tyrannical governments the way the US has been threatening with 40% of the population now favoring armed insurrection.

  If we believe the stats, all the unvaccinated would have died or been hospitalized several times over already, especially since the vaccination rates amongst the vulnerable are much higher than the average in the population.
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  Anony Mous

  Back to the subject at hand, the Nazis in Australia arrested Djokovic again, after a court had already said he fulfilled all the requirements. Djokovic basically got an exemption from the shot because he has natural immunity, the Australians then rescinded that exemption after he had already landed to make a point, a court reinstated the exemption which was reviewed by 2 panels, one from the government and one independent both said he had natural immunity and could not spread the virus, and the Australian government simply ignored the court ruling and arrested him again today.

  If you Aussies don’t stand up against that kind of overreach, basically the government has said the courts no longer apply and there is no check on the tyrannical administrative state.
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  fulltimestudent

  This is an interesting conflict to watch, The Aussie govt. has been strict about allowing people with visa problems to enter Australa. A popular TV show on sunday evenings (Border Security-Australia's Front Line) dramatises these conflicts.

  A poll, the details published in today's Sydney Morning Herald. shows 71% supporting the government's action in wanting to deport Djokovic.

  "Exclusive

  Resolve Political Monitor

  ‘Send him home’: Poll reveals overwhelming support for decision to deport Novak Djokovic

  

  An exclusive survey shows 71 per cent of Australians think the defending Australian Open men’s champion should not be allowed to stay and compete."

  13% wanted the govt to let him stay.

  And Interestingly, 14% said (and I translate the result into the vernacular) -"Who gives a shit."
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  joey jojo

  Vid,

  You asked the question, why are there as many vaxxed in hospital as there are unvaxxed? Rivergang answered that question for you and explained that, in fact, with a country like Australia, with a vaccination rate of 95%, the remaining 5% unvaxxed make up half of the hospitalisations.

  This means that unvaxxed people are grossly over-represented in hospitalisations and proves that the vaccine is doing its job.

  But, of course, in your next post, you ask the same question again and query if the vaccine is working.

  To put it another way, if the vaccine wasn't doing its job right now, almost every single person in hospital would be vaxxed. These figures might change over time as the pandemic evolves, not because the vaccines arent working, but because the only people left to get sick are the vaccinated. If vaccinated people were going to hospital at the same rate as unvaxxed, according to my maths, you would have 19 times more people in hospital right now.
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  Vidqun

  Joey jojo, if the vaccine was working there should be no vaxxed person in hospital. That's not too difficult to work out, or is it?
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  Simon

  Remember, we need EVERYONE to be vaxxed in order to protect the already vaccinated from ... erm, wait, wut?

  Australia has lost the plot, but then they have been an authoritarian human-rights abusing crap-hole for a while now.

  Anyone claiming that someone with natural covid immunity from an infection has to get vaccinated, is not "following the science" - they are voting for government power and control.
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  Rivergang

  No vaccine is 100% effective, and even 5% of a very large number still results in a significant quantity. However, 95% of something is surely much to be preferred over 100% of nothing!

  Also, most vaccines require a course of injections to complete, followed by booster shots (polio and tetanus come immediately to mind here). It would in fact be a rather unusual one which only requires a single dose - typhoid is the only vaccine that I know of which is administered like that. This, though, doesn’t mean a vaccine is ineffective.
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  Vidqun

  They are experimental. They don’t provide immunity. They don’t prevent transmission. They have serious side effects. The CDC changed the definition. They are not what you were told they were (Twitter quote). Follow the graph. On its way to zero, where we are now (Omicron). Not a success. With ADE as a possibility, actually it's a disaster waiting to happen.

  https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620