It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    No one is gonna stop taking about it until his last patreon unsubscribes.We can nor allow a cult within a cult.People have suffered enough from the Watchtower ,we don't want them jumping being captured by an exjw elder with uncontrolled sexual appetite

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH
    don't you think he loves to read everything being written.

    I think he likes feeling that he is important enough to warrant a long topic, as it feeds his ego. But, as I have mentioned before, he seems to be very thin-skinned and really hates being criticized. Having a topic where his critics and detractors can point out his flaws and talk about him --and where he cannot post in response-- is probably not something he is enjoying at all.

    But that is besides the point, anyway. What he does or does not enjoy about this topic makes no difference to me, in regards to whether I comment or what I say.

  • Simon
    Simon
    We can nor allow a cult within a cult. People have suffered enough from the Watchtower, we don't want them jumping being captured by an exjw elder with uncontrolled sexual appetite.

    Exactly this. People need to be able to see exactly who this character is. IMO he's not really there to help people, he's there to help himself and to profit from people, usually people going through an emotional time which makes them vulnerable (exactly the way the WTS looks to recruit people at moments of stress in their life).

    That alone wouldn't be too bad and could be ignores, but the fact that he's using his funds to do some pretty unsavoury shit and by his own admissions, can't control himself sexually, makes it critical that people be warned about him so they are not further victimized in any way.

    We don't need leaders. There really isn't enough that the WTS does that is new such that we need a constant stream of media to break it down and analyze. They repeat the same things over and over for decades. We just need a certain amount of information to be available and some friendly voices to help people on their way.

    All of that can be free. None of it requires any payment schemes or people making it a full-time career. There are enough people willing to do it purely because they want to help people.

    Those are the voices that need to be heard.

    Lloyd is now a walking talking wobbling bobble-head caricature of what an ex-JW is as described by the WatchTower. How does that help but reinforce their stereotypes and keep people trapped inside? He may as well be the WatchTower, he acts so much like them.

  • lloydevansparody
    lloydevansparody
    Exactly this. People need to be able to see exactly who this character is. IMO he's not really there to help people, he's there to help himself and to profit from people, usually people going through an emotional time which makes them vulnerable (exactly the way the WTS looks to recruit people at moments of stress in their life).

    yes yes yes. Profiteering from people who would offer an arm and a leg for some company is diabolical. I am not against donations and all patrons kind of suff etc. But at the very least it should be done in a transparent way and definitely not under the tag of some professional activism.

    LM

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    On page 268 SlimBoyFat wrote:

    I notice Lloyd uses the same tier design as telltale, using the statue in the book of Daniel
    https://www.patreon.com/telltaleatheist
    https://www.patreon.com/cedars
    I wonder who copied who?

    Reminds me of another copycat feature by JLE...

    Lloyd's replay/commentary on JW Broadcasting & WT Convention Programs always reminds me of a less-nuanced version of Blondie's 'Comments You Will Not Hear at the [insert date] Watchtower Study' series (which she produced on this website for YEARS).

    Blondie really helped people (me!) develop critical thinking skills by highlighting words/phrases/concepts that kept us feeling oblligated to stay in the org.

    A few differences between the two are:

    Blondie released her installments a day or two before each Watchtower Study thus providing a framework for awakening active (and PIMO) attendees to cognitively soak in the manipulation/persuasion techniques as they occurred in their own KH's just a few days later. (I remember more than once someone used Blondie's post to follow along during the meeting.) There is power in this bit of awareness while in your seat as it helps you continue that awareness as you interact after the meeting with the congregants. It focuses your attention beyond the words on the page. You are more sensitive to other behaviors and word patterns.

    When Blondie took a week or two off (vacation, needed a break, etc), other JWD/JWN posters could fill in for her that week. (RichieRich even did it at least once.) I have not heard of Lloyd ever allowing anyone cover for him while he takes time off for family obligations, illness, or mental health [or while on Thai Holiday without his wife and children to visit his sex-worker 'girlfriend' during Christmas/NewYear's Holidays].

    Blondie never asked for money to keep her series going.

    Blondie remains mostly anonymous.

    Blondie did not create an alternate cult. By steadily and succinctly putting out the 'Comments' series, she allowed people to awaken while physically in their seats at the Hall. And when they did reach out for additional information and background research, the person could easily, readily, freely find it on the web and share/discuss here or elsewhere. This freedom to contribute and explore/support other activists allowed for personal growth and matriculation into the real world.

    In contrast, Lloyd's approach - which so closely mimics WT structure - keeps people snuggly 'protected' by a High Control Group. His jealous control over his audience does not teach his followers (viewers) the importance of avoiding High Control Groups. His aggressive attacks on other content creators and activists plays not just to his own narcissistic character but also to his follower's fears of the world and other apostates in particular. His constant Banning/Blocking/Silencing (comment deletions) is familiar behavior to people leaving the WT High Control and thus allows them to near-seamlessly drift from one cult (WT) to another (JLE) without ever doing the important work of waking up from the FOG [Fear, Obligation, Guilt].

    -Aude Sapere [Dare to Know; Dare to Have Widsom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself]

  • Simon
    Simon
    I am not against donations and all patrons kind of suff etc. But at the very least it should be done in a transparent way and definitely not under the tag of some professional activism.

    If I was going to make activism and running a website into a "business", I'd expect to provide some simplified accounts showing what money was donated and the various things it was spent on. At some point, you may get more money coming in than you can genuinely spend on the endeavour and at that point you don't start dipping your hand in and funding your own lifestyle from it unless you are in it for the money. What you do is say "thanks everyone, we're fully funded and don't need any more support right now - why not direct the money to some other 'cause or spend it on your own family instead?"

    Vacations to whore around in Thailand never qualify as legitimate use of funds.

    Pretending you need funds for activism while spending it on hookers is dishonest, pure and simple.

    Now throw in that your activist supposedly critiques your target for how they use donated funds and ... oh dear. Not only are you a dishonest immoral lying clown, but the little bit of "hacktivism" you bothered to do to justify it all is completely undermined.

    He's shat on a lots of other people's work too in the process. What a selfish turd.

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    Simon wrote above:
    We don't need leaders. There really isn't enough that the WTS does that is new such that we need a constant stream of media to break it down and analyze. They repeat the same things over and over for decades. We just need a certain amount of information to be available and some friendly voices to help people on their way.

    100% agree.

    Much incredible research has been preserved here on JWD/JWN and elsewhere by amazingly insightful people. It does not need to be rehashed ad-naseum.

    People exiting High Control Groups need encouragement and examples of HOW to move on.

    I love a good personal growth story and content creators who share their stories of the details of their progress is the most beneficial.

    Christian and Katja Gutierrez produced some incredibly honest and engaging videos.

    JT and LadyC (ExJW Critical Thinker) was a poster on this site and they continue to produce good quality content on their website.

    KameronFader shared his progress on making new friends and re-uniting with his non-JW family.

    Brock Talon (not his real name), aka 'LivingTheDream' here on JWD/JWN, provided so many stories of his time at Bethel that he eventually wrote a book ('Journey to God's House') and then his follow up book detailing his path out of WT and into a very successful life and career outside of WT FOG and interference.

    So many exJW content creators on YouTube.

    So many exJW departure stories on this website and many other - MANY from before the internet even existed.

    We don't need an exJW leader.

    We all benefit from having many individual exJW Guides. And we should all encourage a wide variety of guides.

    The people who continue to share and show by example how to live a good life free of WT control and free of WT traits are essential to the exJW community.

    Aude.

  • Elmer
    Elmer

    Let’s keep this thread rolling! How are Lloyd?

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    Had a conversation last night with my daughter (Master's in psychology). Mostly we were talking about the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp train wreck. In the course of the conversation a few things came up. Not all sexual abuse victims are children. Sex is not the only kind of abuse. The scars last a lifetime. Sometimes it is really hard to tell who is the abuser and who is the victim. It isn't always obvious, largely because the abusers get really good at hiding their role.

    Just sayin'.

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