Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth 315 Replies latest social humour

  • nonjwspouse

    And for the record, people can tell you what to do and not be controlling you or necessarily be a controlling person. What constitutes involuntary control, the type of control implied, is a means or mechanism of involuntary control.

    Its this point that no one has ever been to answer or demonstrate in reality and show how it exists.

    Though I have not read through this massive thread all the way yet, I did want to bring up a point to this comment. When and organization/people hold hostage your family, friends, sometimes place of work, your security, your self esteem, all in the name of never being allowed to disagree with the Organization or talk about anything not in total agreement with that same organization, plus not being alowed to read or hear anything negative about that organization,, that is high , dangerous, control. It IS the definition of the BITE method cults use.

    Behavior control - what to ear, no beards, not associating with worldly people etc. You are convinced to confess anything remotely "against the rules", and also tell on others.

    Information Control - again nothing to enter your mind through reading, listening watching that is NOT approved by the WT. Even to the point of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming while walking away, Even if what is being said is backed up, proven, reality. Self regulating what the organization wants to control is a method of a cult.

    Thought control -You are not allowed to disagree with WT approved thinking unless you keep that secret, Even then if you follow the directions/rules, you are supposed to confess this to the elders, with a threat of reprimand.You are to believe ANYTHING negative is always wrong and apostate. The WT can not be wrong, they just change....yeah.

    Emotional Control - This is a big part of the shunning. Emotional blackmail to keep people from talking, from leaving, from fading away. It is also in the every day lives in the "never doing enough" ways the organization relays to the rank and file. "So and So has it harder yet THEY can still find time to pioneer"....you know the drill I am sure. It also translates into low self esteem, which some try to make up for by becoming narcissistic. Some sink into a hold of depression, frighteningly. Some "turn off" their brain and emotions because it is easier, and merely exist on the directions they are given, thinking all the while this is not their "real" life. A dangerous path for a person to grow old believing. A dangerous way to raise children - no financial or educational goals for life, no forward thinking to family support and careers, no planning for retirement.

    The BITE method IS a form of involuntary control. Much in the same way of Jim Jones or N Korea etc. It is not a paradigm a born in or some very indoctrinated converts can just "pop" out of and begin thinking in other ways. It takes events, tragedy, hurtful things, illness, or sometimes, a highly inquisitive mind to break out. But many just can't, even after knowing the truth about "the truth", they have so much invested in the organization that they can't imagine breaking free. They can't imagine life without the family they have. That is emotional blackmail, NOT about wanting to stay in for the faith as the organization claims it is.

  • Diogenesister

    I know it's a bit random and unrelated ( sort of) but Just wondered if anyone thinks Marc Sanderson is almost certainly gay?I'm no expert ( if there's such a thing, unless gay men find it easier to tell ) but there seems to be quite a few Bethelites I've met socially, or seen on JW.org, that I'm almost certain are gay.

    The reason I bring it up - in terms of Bethelites I've met at least - is there seems to be quite a few as compares to regular JWs. Anyone else have that experience? Or is it just my imagination?

    If so I wonder if they feel more comfortable at Bethel, as dubs?

    Hope no one feels I'm being offensive by labelling people.

    Edited post as I messed it up.

  • Finkelstein

    This just out ...

    Anthony Morris one of the GB members of the JWS has just been disfellowshiped for conduct unbecoming of Christian. Rumor has it that he was caught masturbating alone with a pillow in his bedroom wearing super tight pants.

    Gerrit LΓΆsch another GB member of the JWS was the one who accidentally walked in and found Anthony in the act.

    Well I guess you can chalked this up to all that sexual repression that the WTS instigates to its members at its main HQ branch.

  • mann377
  • Finkelstein

    It's true that there has been people who were willing to experiment with masturbation in a perverse and dangerous way with dire consequences but I doubt that's the case with the JWS who attend Bethel HQ and I doubt there is a rampant problem with masturbation with pillows there as well .

    Point of silly redundancy one might say.

    ...... and I'm not saying that there aren't some people who have a problematic addiction with masturbation, possibly relating to pornography.

  • JakeM2012

    So, I guess a fleshlight or sex doll is out of the question in a Bethelites room?

  • mann377

    So, I guess a fleshlight or sex doll is out of the question in a Bethelites room?

    Only if you get caught

  • sparky1

    "Only if you get caught.........

    "Honest brothers...............she's a full time pioneer. We are going to get engaged and hope to marry soon and stay on in Bethel service!"

  • UnshackleTheChains

    I am going to personally sum this up in one word

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  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

    The Governing Body is over reacting to the reports from the laundry department about cum stained pillows and caused this serious talk to be given by their helpers, and would be hopefuls to nip this pillow fucking in the bud.

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