The Gospel

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  • LittleToe

    In all of that experience, you never experienced Christian liberty, then?

    It's got nothing to do with what you do (be it good or otherwise), and far less to do with judging because even Jesus didn't do this (Joh.12:47).

    Jesus summed it all up when he cried out, "Whoever believes in me, believes not just in me but in the One who sent me. Whoever looks at me is looking, in fact, at the One who sent me. I am Light that has come into the world so that all who believe in me won't have to stay any longer in the dark. If anyone hears what I am saying and doesn't take it seriously, I don't reject him. I didn't come to reject the world; I came to save the world. But you need to know that whoever puts me off, refusing to take in what I'm saying, is willfully choosing rejection. The Word, the Word-made-flesh that I have spoken and that I am, that Word and no other is the last word. I'm not making any of this up on my own. The Father who sent me gave me orders, told me what to say and how to say it. And I know exactly what his command produces: real and eternal life. That's all I have to say. What the Father told me, I tell you." (Joh.12:44-50 - The Message)

    So you see, it's simple - there is no spoon - we were supposed to be looking at the fruit-knife, all the time!!

  • frenchbabyface

    Seven006“…before they ate the banana?”
    “God should have put up a sign on the tree, "fruit kills."…”
    “ …run like hell ..”


    You know Undisfellowship I like the reason why you want it to be the truth, but I don’t like the reason why it can screwed you

    "Street corner preacher" I guess was just a way to say … SO REPETITIVE! (As Seven006 says) and to me NOT CONSISTENT at all …

    It’s not easy to say … WE DON’T KNOW THE TRUTH … but WE DON’TCAN YOU PROVE this IS THE TRUTH with consistent EXPLANATIONS? CAN YOU? … I guess NOT … We just have a clue about what’s not the truth. The TRUTH is a whole MYSTERY … FORGET ABOUT THE TRUTH …

    Undisfellowship “In the Gospels, Jesus Christ promised to preserve His Holy Word until "Heaven and Earth pass away".

    Now you know WHEN you’ll GET THE TRUTH! You may think about it before you passed away … PLEASE take a little time to think about it before, cause you may won’t be able to check after

    Lots of people here have done many researches on this (you have to … PH 1:10) DID YOU? Or did you only stick to the BIBLE?HOW CAN YOU BE SUR THAT IS IT THE TRUTH … I mean don’t blame us AS HUMAN WE ARE ABLE TO THINKGOD should be the first to know THAT. So WHAT’s WRONG in POINTING the INCONSISTANCIES of the BIBLE … Yes we know the good and the evil (at least) SORRY THEN FOR THE BIBLE

    You may try to think without partiality at first (it's the only way to be sure about what you're thinking about) you may still stick to the bible ... but you may not ... whatever do it once do it twice and more : GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE ... cause your life as value and you may have ONLY ONE LIFE !

  • AGuest

    have peace!

    Sigh! There is so much here that in truth, I wish I could just close this thread and move on. However... I cannot... for it is the spirit of my Father that directed me here this morning (no, I do not ask you to believe it; I just have to SAY it, so you know that what I am to tell you is not of my own initiative, the "glory" is not mine).

    With that said, I must say to you that there are a couple of things that I must make known to those here, because they lack truth:

    1. Those who belong to Christ are not resurrected to heaven immediately upon death. That is a false teaching of "christianity", which has even been taken up by the WTBTS with their "since 1930-something" tradition. The TRUTH, is the NO ONE goes... until my Lord arrives. It will occur this way:

    a. When my Lord arrives, those who were in union with him during his presence, but have died, will be raised up... at the SAME time that...

    b. Those who were in union with him, but have NOT died... are changed.

    For those who put their "trust" in the Bible, the Bible itself says this.

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53

    This is the "first" resurrection, where those who died "in union" with Christ... who "belonged" to him... "during his presence"... are resurrected and changed, at the SAME time as those who "belonged" to Christ but did NOT die... are changed.

    1 Corinthians 15:22, 23; Revelation 20:5

    This is what my Lord meant when he said to Martha, "I am the resurrection and the life. He that EXERCISES faith in me, even though he dies... will come to life; AND... everyone that is LIVING and exercises faith in me... will never die at all!" This is fulfilled when my Lord returns, with Michael's voice - like a trumpet - announcing his arrival... and those dead in union with Christ are raised... at the same time that those who have NOT died, but are in union with Christ... are changed.

    The SPIRITS of those who have died... while not yet resurrected... are "under the altar" of God... or in His protection. For the altar was a sanctified place, one accessed only by the priests. That is why many religions today "hide" things... under their altars. Rather than be resurrected, these WAIT... as although they are give their white robes (spirit bodies), they are told to "rest" there... UNTIL the number of their fellow slaves and brothers... is filled.

    Revelation 6:9-11; Ecclesiastes 12:7

    The "second" resurrection occurs at the end of the 1,000 years, AFTER Satan has been loosed from his abyssing.

    1 Corinthians 15:24, Revelation 20:4-7, 11-15

    There is SO much lacking truth here... but I will only address one other item, so as to be as brief as I possibly can:

    The Bible... is NOT... the word of God. Not even. The Bible is a "canon"... or collection of writings, which INCLUDE "scripture", as well as histories, chronologies, records and letter (epistles). We KNOW that the Bible is not entirely scripture, because the BIBLE... tells us what IS "scripture" - Moses, Psalms, the Prophets... and the Revelation.

    Luke 24:27, 44, 45

    The problem is that some believe the entire Bible canon to be "scripture"; however, I will LOGICALLY explain to why it is not:

    1. All scripture... is inspired. However, the writings of Luke were NOT inspired; they weren't even commissioned by God, but by the ruler Theophilus, who hired Luke to give him an account. Luke did not get his information from God... or Christ... but from earthling man. Thus, he was not "inspired" by God.

    Luke 1:1-4; Acts 1:1

    2. "Scripture" is that which is written when the writer is inspired... or "IN SPIRIT" and thereafter TOLD to write. Only Moses, the Psalmists, the Prophets... and the Apostle John... were TOLD to write. They RECEIVED... and wrote down what they received as they were told to write it.

    3. And, thus, with the exception of the Revelation, the "scriptures" had already been written... when my Lord arrived in the flesh! That is why HE could refer to "the scriptures"... as did Paul.

    True, Paul was directed by holy spirit; yet, he confessed many times that he spoke of his own opinion.

    4. Finally, IF the entire Bible is "scripture"... and completely intact, containing ALL of the holy writings, then those who believe that would have to answer the question regarding the whereabouts of:

    The Book of Enoch, the Book of Jashur, and Paul's FIRST letter to the Corinthians Congregation (1 and 2 Corinthians are his 2nd and 3rd letters), as well as why Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's accounts are considered "gospel," but Thomas, Barnabas' and the Magdalene Mary's are not. Particularly, Mary's account, for she spent as much, if not more time, with my Lord than the others.

    Joshua 10:13; Jude 14; 1 Corinthians 5:9, 11; 2 Corinthians 12:14; 13:1

    Dear ones, there are those who claim to have faith in God... and in my Lord, the SON of God, JahEshua MischaJah. And yet, they unwittingly laugh in his face, accusing him of being as the FALSE gods... those who have eyes but cannot see... and a MOUTH... but cannot speak.

    My Lord has a mouth... and he DOES indeed speak. However, all it takes is ears... of FAITH... to hear him! Not doubt, not skepticism, not cynicism... and not a "wanting" just because one wishes to say one can and has heard him. One need only want to hear him BECAUSE HE SPEAKS TO US... and BECAUSE WHAT HE WILL SAY IS FOR OUR BENEFIT... yours AND mine... and so one WANTS to hear him... that one can.

    I know that some of you will say, "Well, I WANT to hear him... but I don't." I would say to you... you don't hear him... because you don't WANT to. How does that work? John 3:19 might help you understand - if you LOVE the "darkness" and DON'T want your "works" reproved... then you will be left in the darkness... which YOU love.

    If, however, you WANT your works to be reproved... not because you crave punishment... but because you want to SEE YOURSELF as you TRULY are... so that you will know how to CLOTHE... YOURSELF... instead of trying to cloth OTHERS... then you will hear him tell you. Candidly... but lovingly.

    Unfortunately, most of us DON'T want to hear... about ourselves. We want to hear "well done," "you're great", "doing good!"... and things like these. However, what we must understand is that we must FIRST hear: "You should not do that, child," or "You should not think that, child," or "Do you REALLY want to say/think/do that, child?" You must FIRST hear... "that is NOT the way, child," and "that WILL cause you harm/pain, child."

    We must first hear the voice... in reference to OURSELVES... so as to the take the RAFTER from our OWN eye; it is only then that we will be able to help extract the "straw"... from our brother's eye. But... we most always want to see the faults and shortcomings of others... rather than that which lies in ourselves.

    My Lord said, however, to STOP judging. If he "judges not" - contrary to what you've been led to believe in this thread - then who are WE to judge... anyone? If HE gave his life a ransom for many... if HE died for the whole world... then who are WE... to condemn it?

    Dear ones... the Bible cannot lead you to life. Only Christ can. And the Bible cannot lead you to Christ. Only God can. And you will only BE led... to Christ... and to life... if you GO TO HIM.

    Draw close to GOD... and He, by means of Christ... will draw close to YOU. How do you do that? By trying to keep the Ten Commandments? Truly, I ask you... can you truly keep all ten? Even if you do not commit a transgression of one with your flesh... will you not do so with your HEART? Therefore, you need a sacrifice that will cover not the sins of your flesh... but the sins... of your HEART. The sins... of the SPIRIT.

    And Christ... AS A SPIRIT... can do that! He fulfilled the Law against your FLESH... so that a NEW "law" could be instituted with regard to your SPIRIT. But... you have to WANT such sacrifice to "cover" such sins.

    How does it work? By worshipping God... with spirit! This is how:

    The Israelites (and those that went with them) ate the manna and drank from the rock-mass in the wilderness. Such kept them alive for 40 years! But... eventually... they died. That "manna"... was done away with and REPLACED... by the TRUE "bread from heaven"... the TRUE FOOD and TRUE DRINK... which sustains those who eat of it... forever! How? Because it is SPIRITUAL food... it sustains... the SPIRIT. And those eating it... in FAITH... and with a clean heart (one cleansed of hatred and hypocrisy!)... will live. Forever. Even if their flesh dies... their spirit will not, but will also be told to rest under the altar, until such time it is resurrected to join Christ - he the Head; they the Body.

    But just as the Israelites had to eat... in FAITH... so, too, those who eat today must do so... in faith... NOT doubting.

    Now, to you all, that might seem like such a little, trivial thing: eating a bit of unleavened bread and drinking a bit of wine/grape juice. But I will tell you two things that might change your mind:

    1. He that is faithful in what is LEAST (and this is a small thing, isn't it?)... is faithful... in MUCH; and

    2. Consider... what is the ONE thing that the WTBTS has convinced you NOT to do? The ONE thing that every time you felt COMPELLED to do... but their teachings... and reproachful eyes... STOPPED you from doing? And that FEAR... STILL stops you from doing? And yet, what does John 6:51-53 say?

    Christ said that UNLESS you eat his flesh and drink his blood, you have NO life in you. The "Society" however, says that only a few select can do so. Christ said that ANYONE who eats his flesh and drinks his blood will live forever and be resurrected. The "Society" says that you can be resurrected AND live forever withOUT doing so. Who, then, is the LIAR? Christ... who IS the Truth (John 14:6)? Or the WTBTS... which calls itself the "truth"?

    Dear ones, Satan KEEPS transforming himself into an angel of light. Why? So that the glorious GOOD news about the Christ... that by means of the "leaves" of HIS "tree"... his flesh... and the "water" from HIS "cistern"... his blood... and their REDEEMING QUALITIES... might not shine through! For his purpose IS to mislead IF POSSIBLE... EVEN the chosen ones. And he has done just that with you... by means of the false teaching of the WTBTS... who has STOPPED you from "entering the kingdom of the heavens," who have STOPPED the "little children" from coming to Christ... by means of CONVINCING you NOT to eat... from the Tree of Life... Christ... and NOT to drink from the "river" of water that flows from HIM.

    John 6:55, 56; 7:37, 38

    Why are you all here? Because you DON'T believe in God? No. You are here... because you DO. You can't stay away. Although you claim no search... you are STILL seeking, looking, hoping... knocking. Whether you wish anyone to know it about you or not. But... you have been lied to, misled, cheated, mistreated, abused, used and confused. And... you are ANGRY. And it is your anger... than stands between you and God.

    But you... have been misled... AWAY from God... not TO Him... by religion (for that is their PURPOSE)... and although you are angry at God for "hiding" Himself from you... He did not hide. "Bad" shepherds... led you away... "shut up the kingdom of the heavens"... before you... by not ALLOWING you "in".

    Matthew 23:13

    It does not have to be that way, however. But the choice to TURN AROUND... and draw close to God... is entirely yours. Although He will invite you, He will not make you.

    STOP putting your trust in earthling man, in whom no salvation belongs. STOP following HIM... and listening to HIM. And, for those of you who would counter "But, don't you want us to listen to YOU, SJ?" I would tell you TRUTHFULLY... NO... I do NOT. I am just a messenger. And my message is that you do NOT have to listen to me... or ANY man... including me. Rather... listen to the One God SAID to listen to:

    His Word.

    And that Word... is His Son... my Lord, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH.

    John 1:1; 1:14; Revelation 19:13

    God is NOT like the false idols who have mouths... but do not speak. He SPEAKS. And just as HE speaks... to the Son... so His SON speaks... to US. But just as He is a SPIRIT... and no longer FLESH... you must HEAR Him... by means of YOUR spirit... and no longer with your flesh!

    I, myself, SJ, have spoken it to you, just as I have been directed to do by my Lord, the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whose name is JAH... of Armies.

    I bid you peace.

    YOUR servant, as I am servant to all those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with them, and a slave of Christ,


  • gumby
    If you have any questions or comments, please .................

    How come a loving god has allowed billions of people to suffer and die for thousands of years with no end in sight and keeps people groping for answers to this question?


  • LittleToe

    Where do you place the altar?

  • Red Witch
    Red Witch

    so aguest, do you hear other voices as well?

  • pinoy
    How come a loving god has allowed billions of people to suffer and die for thousands of years with no end in sight and keeps people gropng for answers to this question?


  • frenchbabyface


    COME ON ... ! So you as a father would feel confortable to make your children suffering and get killed just to put an end to that ???

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh !

  • pinoy


    I would not do that.

    But God DID just that.

    He allowed His son, Jesus, to SUFFER and DIE.

    So God in his due time, would put an end to that. (Revelation 21:4)

  • czarofmischief

    Blah blah blah!

    I've heard it all before.

    I think some guy was walking around the Roman empire saying something similar 2,000 years ago, and guess what? HE WAS WRONG!

    Say it with me: The Christian Myth is Not True!

    Armageddon ain't coming!


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