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  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    That took you a while. πŸ˜† A few later copies have this difference (likely a result of trying to make the text fit without recognising the use of Tishri dating for Judah), most notably in translations such as the Syriac Peshitta (4th century CE). It isn’t representative of the original text or the majority of manuscripts

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    Not really for COJ addressed this issue and so have the WT scholars previously in 1971. Further, a similar textual issue occurs in Ezek.26:1 for some manuscripts read '12 th' rather than the '11th year' raising a chronological problem.

    scholar JW

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ and still wrong

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ and still wrong

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    Says you if your opinion counts for anything.

    scholar JW

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Calm down, you two !

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  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Poor wrong 'scholar'.

    In determining dating systems for the relevant period, one can choose from Nisan/accession, Nisan/non-accession, Tishri/accession or Tishri/non-accession dating.

    When considering 2 Kings 25:1-8 (specifically, verses 1, 2 & 8), using Nisan/non-accession or Tishri/accession dating for kings of Judah cannot be reconciled with any of the dating systems for Nebuchadnezzar's reign.

    It is evident from Ezekiel that the author uses Tishri-based dating for enumerating years of exile. However if Ezekiel 33:21 is considered in a vacuum and it is further assumed that most manuscripts and translations (including the NWT) are wrong and that Ezekiel 'really' learned of Jerusalem's fall in the 11th year of exile, this still cannot be reconciled with 2 Kings using Tishri/accession dating for kings of Judah or for using Nisan/accession or Tishri/accession dating for Babylon; further, unless it is assumed the author of Ezekiel counts years of exile from Nisan of 597, using Nisan/accession dating for Judah is also impossible.

    Comparison of 2 Kings 24:12 with the Babylonian interpolation at Jeremiah 52:28 confirms that the author of 2 Kings uses Nisan/non-accession dating for Babylonian kings rather than Tishri/non-accession dating. The book of Jeremiah uses the same dating as in 2 Kings (e.g. compare 2 Kings 25:1 and Jeremiah 39:1), and Jeremiah 36:1 & 9 confirms that the author uses Tishri/non-accession dating for Judah rather than Nisan/accession dating (or the other systems already ruled out).

    Hence the only possible placement of the siege on Jerusalem resulting in its destruction is from early 589 BCE until mid 587 BCE (the duration also being unaffected if the events are moved backwards 20 years according to the Watch Tower Society's errant Neo-Babylonain chronology), giving a length of approximately 30 months.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    In determining dating systems for the relevant period, one can choose from Nisan/accession, Nisan/non-accession, Tishri/accession or Tishri/non-accession dating-

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    Yes, one has that choice but that comes down to methodology and interpretation which can lead to different schemes of chronology--

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    When considering 2 Kings 25:1-8 (specifically, verses 1, 2 & 8), using Nisan/non-accession or Tishri/accession dating for kings of Judah cannot be reconciled with any of the dating systems for Nebuchadnezzar's reign.

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    Why is it necessary to synchronize a Jewish regnal date system with that of the NB Period at every point unless stated otherwise as that does in fact create chronological and historical issues?

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    It is evident from Ezekiel that the author uses Tishri-based dating for enumerating years of exile. However if Ezekiel 33:21 is considered in a vacuum and it is further assumed that most manuscripts and translations (including the NWT) are wrong and that Ezekiel 'really' learned of Jerusalem's fall in the 11th year of exile, this still cannot be reconciled with 2 Kings using Tishri/accession dating for kings of Judah or for using Nisan/accession or Tishri/accession dating for Babylon; further, unless it is assumed the author of Ezekiel counts years of exile from Nisan of 597, using Nisan/accession dating for Judah is also impossible.

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    That is not evident at all but simply assumed and such assumptions create issues that perplex current scholarship. All that we know for certain is that Ezekiel date stamps the events from the beginning of the Exile from that of King Jehoiakim in 617 BCE as stated in Ezek.1: 2 which leaves the matter of calendation subject to opinion.

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    Comparison of 2 Kings 24:12 with the Babylonian interpolation at Jeremiah 52:28 confirms that the author of 2 Kings uses Nisan/non-accession dating for Babylonian kings rather than Tishri/non-accession dating. The book of Jeremiah uses the same dating as in 2 Kings (e.g. compare 2 Kings 25:1 and Jeremiah 39:1), and Jeremiah 36:1 & 9 confirms that the author uses Tishri/non-accession dating for Judah rather than Nisan/accession dating (or the other systems already ruled out).

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    Nonsense, that is simply opinion for such could well be two different historical events.

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    Hence the only possible placement of the siege on Jerusalem resulting in its destruction is from early 589 BCE until mid 587 BCE (the duration also being unaffected if the events are moved backwards 20 years according to the Watch Tower Society's errant Neo-Babylonain chronology), giving a length of approximately 30 months.

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    False, only 18 months of the siege's duration are stated in 2 KI. 25: 1,2.as accepted by mainstream scholarship. Your period of 30 months is impossible!!

    scholar JW





  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

    Where assumptions were made in my previous post, they were concessions giving your position the best chance of success. Your position is logically impossible.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jefro

    Where assumptions were made in my previous post, they were concessions giving your position the best chance of success. Your position is logically impossible.

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    That is fine because assumptions are part and parcel of any scheme of Chronology.

    scholar JW

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

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  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    'scholar':

    Yes, one has that choice but that comes down to methodology and interpretation which can lead to different schemes of chronology

    You really do seem to have significant difficulty comprehending that in my analysis of the placement of these events, I have considered all of the options rather than relying on one specific 'methodology and interpretation'. In doing so, I have found your view to be not only irrational but also plainly wrong.

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