by Slidin Fast 540 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
'scholar':
date stamped nine times with clear twelve statements of a future application
You keep repeating this nonsense over and over again as if you genuinely don't understand that someone can write something referring to an earlier date. The only bona fide thing approaching 'date-stamping' as to when Daniel was written is the fact that it refers to events that are agreed to have occurred during the Seleucid period.
Jeffro
You keep repeating this nonsense over and over again as if you genuinely don't understand that someone can write something referring to an earlier date. The only bona fide thing approaching 'date-stamping' as to when Daniel was written is the fact that it refers to events that are agreed to have occurred during the Seleucid period.
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Nonsense, the simple fact is that there are date stamps for all of the visions that Daniel received so it can be argued that such historic settings prove the date of the setting of the book and its composition. If this view is incorrect then you need to prove it otherwise and this you and mainstream scholarship cannot do and have not done.
The so-called agreement is not proof but opinion and others can quite properly affirm its sixth-century composition and not that of the 2nd-century nonsense.
scholar JW
On the 8th day of Nisan, in the 15th year of Nebuchadnezzar, I, Jeffro, was sitting by the Euphrates River, and behold, a vision of 'scholar' saying something stupid.
Can't argue with date stamps. 🤦♂️
Christian source supports traditional Christian interpretation. Call the press! (And his first line of 'evidence' is that Daniel 'predicts' future events and is therefore magical. 🤦♂️)
Other examples of deception in the 'evidence' is the 'support' from the inclusion of Daniel in the Septuagint, though the old version was not completed until about 100 BCE, and the later version not until the 2nd century CE. Also trotted out is the claim that 'Daniel is in the Dead Sea Scrolls', though the earliest parts of Daniel among those copies is dated to the late 2nd century BCE (i.e. around 100 BCE), with most of them even later.
Speaking of dates, 'scholar', do you agree with the Watch Tower Society that the siege against Jerusalem prior to its destruction lasted 18 months, or with me and Ezekiel that it lasted 30 months?
Jeffro
Can't argue with date stamps. 🤦♂️ (That's 19 March 590 BCE, Julian calendar. It was a Sunday.
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False, Daniel on the 8th day of Nisan, in the 15th year (19 March 590 BCE) of King Nebuchadnezzer is now contemplating the fulfilment of Jeremiah's prophecy about the Fall of Jerusalem and the beginning of the foretold 70 years with King Zedekiah's rebellion against King Nebuchadnezzar who invades Judah for the third time followed by his siege of Jerusalem and its later Fall in 607 BCE per date stamp in 2 Ki. 25:1-2.
scholar JW
Jeffro
Speaking of dates, 'scholar', do you agree with the Watch Tower Society that the siege against Jerusalem prior to its destruction lasted 18 months, or with me and Ezekiel that it lasted 30 months?
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The siege lasted for 18 months for the idea that the siege lasted for about two and a half years-30 months according to Carl Jonsson (GTR,2004, p.348) and Jeffro is preposterous and conflicts with the precise period of 18 months in 2Kings 25:1-4 as per this date stamp.
scholar JW
'scholar':
False, Daniel on the 8th day of Nisan, in the 15th year (19 March 590 BCE) of King Nebuchadnezzer is now contemplating the fulfilment of Jeremiah's prophecy about the Fall of Jerusalem and the beginning of the foretold 70 years with King Zedekiah's rebellion against King Nebuchadnezzar who invades Judah for the third time followed by his siege of Jerusalem and its later Fall in 607 BCE per date stamp in 2 Ki. 25:1-2.
Huh? Trust 'scholar' to entirely miss the point. 🤦♂️
'scholar':
The siege lasted for 18 months for the idea that the siege lasted for about two and a half years-36 months according to Carl Jonsson (GTR,2004, p.348) or 30 months according to Jeffro is preposterous and conflicts with the precise period of 18 months in 2Kings 25:1-4
No, doofus. (And no deference to Jonsson is required.) The author of 2 Kings demonstrably used Tishri-dating for Judah, but the "10th month" is always Tevet. Therefore, the siege ran from January 589 BCE until mid-587 BCE.
The duration is confirmed by direct statements from Ezekiel:
(Ezekiel 24:1, 2) The word of Jehovah again came to me in the ninth year, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, saying: 2 “Son of man, record this date, this very day. The king of Babylon has begun his attack against Jerusalem on this very day.
(Ezekiel 33:21) At length in the 12th year, in the tenth month, on the fifth day of the month of our exile, a man who had escaped from Jerusalem came to me and said: “The city has been struck down!”
And no, there is no reason to conclude that it took someone 18 months to reach Ezekiel with the news of Jerusalem's destruction, by which time he would already have heard from people who were exiled to Babylon in 587 BCE. And the Watch Tower Society agrees that Ezekiel found out about 6 (not 18) months after Jerusalem's destruction anyway (The Watchtower, 1 August 2007, page 8):
About six months after the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E., an escapee comes and reports to Ezekiel: “The city has been struck down!”
Poor 'scholar', the Watch Tower Society shill.
