by Slidin Fast 540 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
This word implies the entire planet including the heavens.
yeah, I was confident that all the infrastructure that Nasa was building on Merritt Island FL, would never produce an event that send a vehicle, or human beyond the Earth dominant gravity, The Earth, that confined "Satan" --- onto the moon, venus, Mars and beyond.
so much for biblical relevance, guidance by wt writers.
Tribulation isn't spiritual in any way.
You miss the point. You said that to the Jews ww2 was greater. My point is that the destruction of Jerusalem was the end of Jewish world nothing was greater not even ww2 as I explained. My other post show that both Jesus at the olivette and the rest of the Bible refer to a tribulation that involves the entire earth prior to the millennium. My reply only applies to the destruction of the Bible Jews and the end of the Jewish world. Not to be compared to ww2 or any other destruction comes close.
There are 2 parallel destructions referred to at the olivette, the great tribulation that applies to the end of Jewish world centered on the holy Temple and the great tribulation involving all of humanity
Jeffro
JW eschatology is based on Adventism derived from Protestantism so it is entirely unremarkable that it shares some interpretations with those found in Protestant commentaries. It seems you don’t even understand the origin of your own preferred denomination. 🤦♂️ Via Russell and Rutherford, the Watch Tower Society took the nuttiest parts of Protestantism and somehow made it worse. 🤣 Not a good place at all.
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False. Recent published historical research on the origins of the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses shows that the early roots were not of Adventism and mainstream Protestantism but the 'Millenarian (Age-to-Come, Literalist) movement with such prophetic study from the start of the 17th century. Refer to A Separate Ideniotry: Organizational Identity Among Readers of Zion's Watch Tower: 1870-1887, B.W.Schulz and R.M.Vienne,2014, Vol.One,p.56, Fluttering Wings Press.
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And you still can’t show any support for your view from the actual source material.
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Noted as above
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Vanderhoven7
Our beloved Leola writes
“The word parousia does not necessarily denote both "an arrival and a consequent presence"; it commonly denoted just the arrival, such as a terminus or an end-point of a time period (such as a state of affairs continuing UNTIL someone arrives). It is trivially easy to find clear examples of this in Greek literature. The parousia itself would then be a sudden change of the situation as opposed to being itself a duration. That is how it is used in the synoptic apocalypse. It is used interchangeably with erkhomai, and is an event that occurs suddenly or unexpectedly. The comparison of the parousia to the Flood of Noah emphasizes the suddenness of the event that will END an ongoing state of affairs. What was arriving to those on the earth was the Flood itself; it wasn't "invisibly present" beforehand. And even if it was, what happened during those years long before the Flood that made the Flood go from "not present" to "present"? Don't you see the problem? "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left" (v. 40-41). That pertains to the parousia, in analogy with the Flood, and it highlights the suddenness of the event; people would be in the midst of their daily activities when it happens, just as those before the Flood were in the midst of eating, drinking, and so forth. The arrival denoted by the parousia isn't invisible either; " For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " (v. 27). Sure there would be a presence after this, but it isn't one unremarked upon by the world at large. It was going to be absolutely obvious, with a spectacle in the sky and with a loud trumpet call from the heavens.
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Utter nonsense. Just consult a decent Greek Lexicon !!!
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Well, guess I can't upload that particular image...
... but just a reminder, Jerusalem want destroyed in 607, and the 70 years is servitude, not desolation.
Jammer:
WW 2 was far worse than AD70 to the Jews.
Entirely irrelevant.
The (anonymous) authors of the gospels, writing after the destruction of Jerusalem but framing it as before to give the appearance of ‘prophecy’, expected other supernatural things to happen shortly after that destruction based on their religious superstitions. Those things simply didn’t happen, and Christians have been making up alternative interpretations ever since. The failure of the original expectations is not ‘evidence’ that it ‘just hasn’t happened yet’.
‘scholar’:
Recent published historical research on the origins of the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses shows that the early roots were not of Adventism and mainstream Protestantism but the 'Millenarian (Age-to-Come, Literalist) movement with such prophetic study from the start of the 17th century.
No, you’ve made a category error. 🤦♂️ Millenarians (specifically the belief in Christ’s second advent bringing about the 1,000 year reign) are Adventists. You may be confusing the term Adventist with the more specific ‘7th-day Adventists’ or some other offshoot. And the connections between the Millerite and Bible Student movements are well established. And all of them are offshoots of Protestantism.
If you really want to get specific, I suppose you could say JWs developed via the Bible Student movement via Adventism via Millerism via millennialism via Protestantism, but it still doesn’t get around their Adventist origins via Protestantism 😂
(Millenarianism got autocorrected to millennialism in the second paragraph of the previous comment, but the point is still clear and there is some overlap in the meanings anyway.)
‘scholar’:
the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses
The Bible Student movement didn’t ‘become known as Jehovah’s Witnesses’. Jehovah’s Witnesses is one branch of the Bible Student movement.
Jeffro
he Bible Student movement didn’t ‘become known as Jehovah’s Witnesses’. Jehovah’s Witnesses is one branch of the Bible Student movement
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The Bible Students associated with the late Charles Russell became later identified as Jehovah's Witnesses.
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