Climate Change - True Believer or Skeptic?

by Simon 127 Replies latest jw friends

  • Simon
    Simon

    It's worth considering whether it's better to have a warmer planet than a cooler one. As a species, we seem to gravitate to warmer climates and do better there - a few scattered people can survive in a frozen tundra but mostly it's a struggle. Same for other species as well - all the life (both volume and variety) is where the warmth is.

    As the population of our planet grows, we need fertile productive land to produce food. If the large land masses where this grows is colder and frozen, there will be mass starvation.

    Warmer and more carbon = more greenery, more trees, more food, more life.

    So hotter or cooler? Which is really the devastating one?

  • waton
    waton

    Simon, on the surface its true, but Humans are supposed to have left Africa, and are doing it again. Some of the best wheat is grown in regions where there is 18 hrs sunshine a day, for a few weeks. True Humans by the number are more prolific in the deep warmth, but have done best for themselves in the moderate to cold regions. (Finland and Denmark the happiest regional people.) Now,

    More solar energy harvested and stored by nature with our help seems to have weather more extreme, and heat also produces deserts.

    Conversation, even mandated, will keep the natural cycles going longer, let Venus take and keep the heat.

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse
    Warmer and more carbon = more greenery, more trees

    also more oxygen- just wanted to put that in there.

  • SAHS
    SAHS

    “waton”: “Avoid using the brakes by coasting.”

    Well, what about this newfangled thing called “regenerative braking” – which has been implemented on transit busses and taxis for many years now, especially in developing countries in places such as South America?

    “Simon”: “As a species, we seem to gravitate to warmer climates and do better there.”

    All these consistent megatons of mass of greenhouse gasses, let alone all the proliferation of additional megatons of particulate matter (suit) from combustion of carcinogenic fossil fuels, HAS TO – and, indeed, IS CURRENTLY – having a profound and adverse affect on all life on our earth, including humanity!

    “Simon:” “As a species, we seem to gravitate to warmer climates and do better there.”

    Well, it’s already been established that traditionally the lower latitudes have been associated with decreased cognitive ability and motivation (along with increased fighting over resources and ideologies – thus the ideometric term synonymous with southernmost populations: “hot-blooded”).

  • TD
    TD

    It's worth considering whether it's better to have a warmer planet than a cooler one.

    As someone who lives in a very warm (and very fertile) climate, I believe this is a legitimate question.

    That the earth is warming is beyond dispute at this point. I'm not convinced that this spells the end. Not by a long shot.

  • barry
    barry

    When the politicians were deciding where to build the capital of Australia there were two conditions 1 The capital had to be built a distance from the ocean so as to be out of range of naval bombardment. 2 Anglo Saxons couldn't function in warmer areas and so the capital had to be a cold area in winter. One of the cold winter areas called Dalgetty that was not accepted was visited by a group of politicians it was so cold they crowded around a fire to get warmth. One politicians leg caught alight and started to burn in the fire. It happened to be a wooden leg. In the end Canberra was selected also a cold area .

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    Disease and parasites increase with warmer climate.

    Yes, the polar bear population has increased. For now.

    Yes, more trees are growing with CO2 increase. For now. So are noxious plants.

    I don't like parasites and mosquitoes. They carry disease. Warmer weather fosters all sorts of growth. Not all of it good.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Interesting article about fraud in climate science:

    https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-finally-its-safe-for-the-whistleblowers-of-corrupted-climate-science-to-speak-out

    And another one about how "benign" climate change really is to the insurance industry:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/27/warren-buffett-global-warming-not-impacting-berkshires-insurance-biz.html

    I'd ask anyone to actually think back to how the world was 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago (however old enough you are). Have summers and winters really changed? Sure, we get good ones and bad ones, but has your world really changed and changed to the degree that people claim it should have?


  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    The climate may go through hotter and cooler spells but one point to remember is that the climate has been doing this before Homo sapiens came on the scene.

    At the end of the Carboniferous period, Antarctica developed ice sheets. This had a knock-on effect of causing the whole climate to cool. This further caused the Carboniferous swamps to shrink.

    The Permian started off much cooler and drier than the Carboniferous. Following the Permian is the Triassic. The Triassic was hot again. These events just happened, without anthropogenic pollution as a factor.

    The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago. The world got warmer.

    Over the past few decades there are some fluctuations in the climate and in temperature.

    1. How much does this have to do with anthropogenic pollution?

    2. Are these current fluctuations anything as much as the prehistoric changes that occurred well before human civilisation?

  • days of future passed
    days of future passed

    When I was growing up, winters were wet, spring sprinkles with some sunny days, summer hot and and sunny, fall cooler with the leaves falling. It was a regular pattern.

    Now days, winter, spring, fall, summer happen at any time. A few days of winter, followed by summer and then it's fall and spring - and that happens in a two week period. Possibly summer is the longest that remains the same.

    This is in California from the 1960's (regular) to maybe 1980"s (?) Because it started being bits and pieces around then and now, yeah it's all over the place.

    Sadly, I've read that the emperor's penguin nursery on a large ice shelf, has disappeared, drowning the chicks.

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