Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip

by Dogpatch 182 Replies latest jw friends

  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one

    "Even in a court of law, those accused do have certain rights. So too in the congregation. They have a right to be heard by a judicial committee before being turned into the authorities." -- Sword of Jah

    What about the right of the victim to have competent authorities investigate the matter, rather than the "judicial committee" comprised of folks who in most cases have zero experience or training as investigators? These are serious crimes, and they deserve and demand a serious response. I find it appalling that elders have any say whatsoever in whether these cases will be turned into the authorities.

  • JT
    JT
    The Watchtower is not a religion it's a business

    AND THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE

  • SwordOfJah
    SwordOfJah

    144thousand:

    that's a really pathetic way of dealing with a problem of this nature (i.e. waiting on Jehovah).

    You call it pathetic, I call it faith.

    What about the right of the victim to have competent authorities investigate the matter, rather than the "judicial committee" comprised of folks who in most cases have zero experience or training as investigators?

    Actually I know many elders that are very good investigators. Yes, even better than some cops I've dealt with. I've also known some elders that are horrible as investigators. Elders are instructed to use experienced brothers in judicial committees. The victim does have the right for the authorities to investigate the matter, I agree with you there.

    DJ:

    I am in agreement with your last post.

    LyeinEyes:

    I agree that it is very difficult to keep an eye on a past molestor 24/7. I don't know about announcing to the whole congregation about his past actions. Doesn't the individual have some rights on this matter? For example in the case I states, it had been 10 years since the conviction and before he had studied with the Witnesses. But I see your point. The congregation is warned without naming names just like they warned of those that are leading double life. They could say something like "we should be careful when strangers move into the congregation because we don't know their past, they could have been child abusers or committed other crimes." That works most of the time as the congregation is pretty bright and they will be careful.

    Xandria:

    The JC should not involve itself in judging matters like this. IT should directly be handled by the authorites.

    I disagree. We are a theocracy first, then we respond to the authorities.

  • JT
    JT
    Cases like these ought to be tried in a courtroom, rather than on a web page

    May I remind this poster of where he or she is: this is called a "Discussion Board"

    do i need to explain the purpose of such a site-

    I thought not

    smile

  • DJ
    DJ

    Xandria:

    The JC should not involve itself in judging matters like this. IT should directly be handled by the authorites.

    I disagree. We are a theocracy first, then we respond to the authorities.---SOJ

    SOJ,

    How can you agree with my post and disagree with Xandria when we are saying the same thing? Xandria is merely saying that the elders should not judge these accusations but the proper authorities that are ordained by God should. (the police) Romans 13

  • JT
    JT

    SOJ says

    But I also know that there are interrogation techniques that can help the elders know who is lieing.

    so could you tell us why the Society who claims to be the very mouthpc of god on earth not training it's elders to use the techniques that you claim that YOU KNOW,

    why does a Shepard of the congo who must make decisions that impact folks lives not KNOW ABOUT THESE TECHNIQUES??

  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one

    Sword,

    If the WT wants to take on the cop's duties, then it shouldn't complain when it is sued for the screw-ups that ensue.

    JT,

    Thanks for the reminder. Next time you have a legal case of consequence to you, will you divulge all the details here for everyone to see, including your opponent? It is a discussion board, isn't it?

  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one

    Sword,

    By the way, if it's all about "faith," then why does the society take any legal action to defend itself? Shouldn't they use the same "faith" they ostensibly expect of others to protect their interests? Don't they have faith that Jehovah will intervene?

  • JT
    JT
    I DO acknowledge that some elders do not know how to interrogate someone or maybe don't know how to ask the right questions

    this is funny for even JR Brown agree, when he said that Elders are Untrained Volunteers

    so why are untrained volunteered being asked to investigate Crimes

    you got a man who works at Sears, one works at Walmart and the other at Piggley Wiggley

    could you SOJ please tell me what in thier background qualifies them to investigate a Rape and Child molestation case

    you see the problem is simple the wt has 100's of 1000's of men running around telling folks that GOD APPOINTED ME and they are REQUIRED by WT rules to handle issues that they are NOT QUALIFIED TO HANDLE

    AND that is why this case is in court, the wt put these men in place and like any company that puts folks out on the front line to represent them =- they in turn become lible for what they do

    allow me to ask you this question

    if your Mama were flying in a 747 plane and found out the pilot had never flown a plane larger than a crop duster and he ended up having to talk to someone from Delta about WHAT TO DO IN THIS SITUTIION that he has found himself in and ended up crashing and buring the plane, but he surived-

    would you not sue him ALONG with Delta for putting a man unqualified in a job-

    well my dear friend that is the same situation that wt is in- they are responsible for the men who server as elders and in case like this elders GET DIRECT INSTRUCTION FROM BETHEL On what to do

    in fact in elder school it is MANDITORY to call bethel for instructions

    AND WHEN THOSE instructions prove to be lacking , incorrect, and plain wrong, then thier is a price to pay and in this country you pay in one of two ways and sometimes both

    JAIL TIME OR CASH$$$

  • JT
    JT
    So the responsability falls on those elders to keep an eye on the guy

    Once again we see a clear example of why wt has problems - as this poster has pointed out he belives that th elders should keep and eye on him, - now what does that mean, how does that work in REAL LIFE-

    WILL the elders see what he does in his commmunity on non meeting nights, will they see if he is talking to NO JW KIDS, that's right non-jw kids dont' count- smile

    once again wt has put folks in charge to handle an issue they are not equiped or qualified to handle

    what happens when he shows up for service during midweek - will the sisters know that a pediphile is taking the group out, will the publisher who works with him in service be told- we all know that the elders will not be the only ones working with him out in service-

    once again we see a loyal jw misse the whole point

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