It is with much thought, careful consideration and discussion with my Lord that make this reply to you. It will be my last... here... and elsewhere on this board; however, not because of the questions you pose... but because of where it now puts us. Before I begin, I must say, unfortunately, that may all of the peace that I have wished you... return to me. Also, herein, I may have referred to you as "dear one." Unfortunately, that title may no longer apply. I do not have the... desire, however... to go look for each case and revise it, so I will let it stand. Okay, then:
AGuest, let me ask you a very important question, okay?
Yes.
What if God had PROMISED that the angel who became Satan would NEVER SIN?
If God made such a promise, then such angel would never sin.
What if that angel then sinned.
If God promised that he would not… then the question is moot. Such angel COULD not.
Would that not make God a liar?
It would... but God cannot lie.
You see, God PROMISED that Jesus would NEVER SIN.
I do not agree, dear UnDf’d. At least, not in the context YOU are stating. You are saying the my Lord did not sin because God promised that he would not, which is not true. God did not promise... He PROPHESIED. Thus, I am saying to you that, LIKE JOB, it was the fact that my Lord WOULD not sin… that God could state it as fact. And no, it is not the same thing. When God said to Satan, “Do you see my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth,” was it because God MADE Job like that… that Job COULD not have given in to Satan? Was that not the very reason for Satan’s challenge to God to REMOVE THE HEDGE that God had placed around him?
If Jesus had sinned, God would have been a liar.
Which is what his LOYALTY was all about! It was up to HIM... just as it is up to US... to prove that God is NOT a liar. GOD says that there are SOME humans that will NOT put their skin first. Job was one. My Lord was one. We, too, can have that same opportunity. But you are entirely missing the point, of course, which is that was not that my Lord COULD not sin… it was that he WOULD not sin. There is a BIG difference!
I don't see how much clearer I could state this.
I am sure you cannot.
Which part can you not understand?
I have NO problem understanding you. None whatsoever. It is YOU… who misunderstand me.
Unlike us, Jesus had NO SIN IN HIM
No sin... in his SPIRIT. Which is what I have said to you, more than once. Let me ask you, what did my Lord say to Nathaniel? Of what was he speaking, Nathaniel’s FLESH… or his spirit? It is the same thing, dear one.
, and, unlike us, He had All of the Fullness of His Divine Nature of God dwelling in His Human Body.
Again, I disagree, for it was not HIS Divine Nature, but that of the Father's, holy spirit. For if he WAS God... and his flesh WAS different... HOW could he be tested... LIKE US... in ALL respects? And that fact that it was a HUMAN body, should help you understand its imperfection in this regard. Were it PERFECT, his flesh would not have experienced what ours does... sickness, pain, suffering... death... so that such test would have been null and void. I find it curious that you did not respond to the verses I referred you to on this subject: Isaiah 7:15, 16 and Hebrews 5:8, 9. Curious indeed.
God cannot sin.
I absolutely agree. However, what my Lord had LIKE us… was sinFUL flesh, flesh which held in it sin and death (corruption). YOU… unfortunately… misunderstand sin. You also misunderstand who... and what... my Lord was and is. GOD… can NOT die. My Lord… died.
Jesus is God.
I disagree.
Therefore, Jesus cannot sin.
He could have. He did not.
Jesus was tempted, but He did not and could not sin because HE IS GOD.
Why tempt someone who cannot BE tempted? What would be the POINT? Would it not have more meaning to try and tempt someone who COULD… but WOULDN’T… give in? I mean, isn’t THAT the test… OBEDIENCE? If you cannot be DISobedient… how can you prove that you are OBEDIENT?
He was 100% God and 100% Human.
He was like Adam: ½ human… terrestrial being… FLESH… which flesh he inherited from Mary, and which flesh sinFUL and thus was able to hold SICKNESS and DEATH… in it… so that such flesh DIED… which PERFECT flesh cannot do - and ½ god… celestial being… SPIRIT… which spirit he received from the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies… just as Adam did... and which spirit, when given, was sinLESS. My Lord kept his spirit so… WITHOUT GUILE. .. unlike Adam. Thus, u pon his resurrection, his flesh, the “befouled garment” was replaced by a SPIRIT BODY… a “clean garment”… or WHITE robe.
His Human Body was mortal before He died.
Yes. Mortal. Meaning having an end. SinFUL. Thus… it dies. And yet, God... is and has always been and will always be... IMMORTAL. SinLESS. He does NOT die.
That simply means that His Human Body could die.
Which is what I have stated, I think repeatedly. But had it been sinLESS… it would not… COULD not… have died. For death... is the RESULT... of sin. It is sin's WAGE. No sin... no death. That is why we must be CLEANSED of sin... in order to LIVE. Hear... and get the sense of it.
But, get this -- His Human Body could ONLY DIE IF HE WILLED IT TO HAPPEN!
Okay, wait a minute… talk about ADDING stuff!! Death... is an ENEMY! Why would my Lord do the will of the ENEMY? Where then is the SACRIFICE? It was NOT my Lord’s will to die! In fact, he SAID, “Father, if it is YOUR will, let this cup pass from me. Yet… NOT WHAT I WILL… but what YOU will.” Ah, nevermind…
No one, absolutely no one could have taken His Human Life from Him without Him willing it.
Again, you err. Only God could stop it, unless my Lord changed his mind and chose NOT to give himself as a sacrifice.
Job 1:12; 2:6; Matthew 25:53
Just for the record, AGuest, I did know what HalleluJah meant. I was giving a "double-praise" to JAH.
But h ow can that be? We don’t PRAISE the same God, right? And yet, I praised JAH and do praise Him. Who is it that you praised when you said "hallelujah"?
Where on earth have I ever said John lied?
You implied it by disregarding 1 John 2:2, where John writes:
“My little children, I am writing you these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone DOES commit a sin, we have… A HELPER (the Greek says “Paraclete”) with the Father… JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, a righteous one.”
Yet, YOU say that my Lord is NOT the “helper”… the Paraclete.
I will let Jesus explain what happens when someone wicked dies - I think He disagrees with you:
Let's see...
Luke 16:19-31: "Now there was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen, enjoying himself splendidly every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores, who had been placed at his gate, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. And even the dogs came and would lick his sores. And it came to pass that the beggar died, and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am suffering in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things, but now here he is comforted and you are suffering. And besides all this, between us and you a great gulf has been fixed, so that those who desire to cross over from here to you are not able, nor may those from there cross over to us.' Then he said, 'Therefore I beseech you, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, so that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if someone from the dead should go to them, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded should one rise from the dead.' "
And you have not yet received UNDERSTANDING of this illustration. May I explain it to you, please? Thank you! The "Rich" Man are those… who are having their reward IN FULL… now... whether by means of money or by means of knowledge (of spiritual truth, which they either hoard or sell)... those who have... but do not give. .. FREE. Is it literally those rich in money? No. Can’t be. Why? Two reasons: (1) Because some rich people are QUITE generous... and do what they can to help those "less fortunate" than they; and (2) because although my Lord did say that it would easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven… he ALSO said that ALL things are possible with God. That means even the RICH… can get into the kingdom of God.
Now, why was the Rich Man suffering? Was he in some tormenting place? No, he was in Hades. And Hades in not a place of torment, for death AND Hades not only “give up those dead in THEM,” but are themselves hurled into the Lake of Fire… the place of torment. The Rich Man was SUFFERING… because where HE was… there was NO HOLY SPIRIT! No… LIVING WATER! Thus… he was PARCHED! THIRSTY… but unable to DRINK! Why? Because the “Rock-Mass” from which “living water” FLOWS… my LORD… was not IN that place. The Rich Man… knowing that LIVING WATER is what refreshes and “bubbles up” in us to “impart everlasting life,” wanted only A DROP! Had he received ONLY A DROP… he could have LIVED. But he knew it was hopeless. So, he asked that someone be sent to warn his brothers.
Lazarus, on the other hand, depicts the “poor, the hungry, the sick, and lame”… physically, in many cases... and SPIRITUALLY in some cases… who only want a CRUMB... and so must put their TRUST in JAH, the God of the poor and broken-hearted... by means of putting their FAITH in CHRIST… and so THEY are taken to “the bosom position of Abraham,” where they “eat and drink” at his table. Eat and drink WHAT? “True food” and “true drink”… the flesh and blood of my Lord… the leaves of the Tree of Life, which tree IS my Lord… and “water”… his blood… HOLY SPIRIT… which issues forth from HIM… from his throne.
You can twist and pervert those Verses, but the Truth remains.
I do not need to twist and pervert anything… for indeed the Truth DOES remain... and he SPEAKS.
I believe Christ, I do not believe people claiming to hear Christ's voice.
How can you believe the One whom you cannot HEAR? In truth, you DON'T believe Christ , fo r Christ himself SAID:
“… he that enters through the door is shepherd of the sheep. The doorkeeper opens to this one and the sheep LISTEN TO HIS VOICE, and he calls his own sheep BY NAME and leads them out. When he has got all his own out, HE goes before them, and the sheep follow HIM… because… they know HIS VOICE. A STRANGER they will by NO means follow… because ... they do NOT know the VOICE of strangers. I am the fine shepherd and I know my sheep… and my sheep... know ME. My sheep LISTEN TO MY VOICE, and I know them and they … follow ME.”
Just as my Father said, "This is my Son; listen... to HIM."
You also said that the "only one who is tortured forever and ever is Satan". Where is that found in the Bible?
I must apologize. I did forget about the False Prophet, the Wild Beast and those who worship them and receive the Beast’s mark. My error, truly. I was thinking of those in context with our discussion, wherein you asked me how ones could be saved. The False Prophet and Wild Beast are groups of people - Satan is an individual - and my mind was on individuals. Thus, I referred to Rahab, versus, say, the Sodomites. Again, my error.
So, did you actually first find out about those Commandments from the Bible, or from your voice.
I found out about the Law, first, from the people who push the Law and the Bible. Long before I was able to read a Bible... or any book. Then, I found out about their interpretation of the verses you have quoted. Some made sense; others did not. But I saw that the Bible (depending on the version) indeed contained the WORDS they were quoting to me. However, I found out the TRUE meaning of them… as well as their TRUE application… directly from my Lord. And the version... is irrelevant.
I'm sorry, but I do not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ actually speaks to people using voices in this time period.
Many felt that same way during the time of the Prophets. Certainly there were those who felt so during my Lord's days in the flesh. I pity your lack of faith. Truly. For you’ve been misled into believing that he doesn’t by those who give more credence to DEMONS… than to God and His Son. Thos e who say DEMONS can speak to us… and apparently do… but not God and not Christ? B ut I ask you: DEMONS can speak to the children of Israel… to the SONS OF GOD… but God HIMSELF can’t and doesn’t? Not even through Christ? You have been misled. Again, I pity you your lack of faith, for when the Son of Man arrives WILL he really find faith in the earth?
Jesus speaks to us in His Written Word.
"God speaks to us... by means of a Son." For that Son IS His Word. These statement was written LONG after my Lord had left the earth... by those who knew it to be true, long before they wrote it and when they had no gospels to refer to about it. And my Lord... speaks to us… from the heavens... the kingdom of God... which is in our mid st. Well, for some of us. And t he Bible that YOU put so much faith in… says these very things. Hebrews 1:2; 12:25
I also do not believe that the "gifts of the Spirit" [speaking in tongues, healing, etc] are still the signs of being a True Christian.
Talk about adhering to the false teachings of the WTBTS! If you believe as you have said (and I no longer find it hard to know that you do...), then you are not reading your Bible even as YOU profess you do. For how does one KNOW one has received such spirit… if one does not possess the GIFTS of it? True, one may not possess ALL of such gifts, and not all of them are manifest in the FLESH... and but certainly, one would possess at least ONE of them and be given SOME evidence of such possession. Yes? At least, that’s what Paul said would occur. Perhaps it is speaking in tongues. Perhaps it is wisdom and knowledge. Perhaps, like me... it is discerning inspired utterances (hearing spirits).
And Joel prophesied one of these gifts, prophesying, would actually become MORE abundant, did he not? That’s because such gifts have NOT been done away with entirely, dear one, but only PARTIALLY… as Paul (?) wrote… for that which is COMPLETE… that in which the Spirit is COMPLETE… my LORD… has not yet arrived.
Only the Son can accuse people of blaspheming God?
I am not sure. If have not asked and I have not heard. But if you mean blaspheming the Holy Spirit, the answer is yes. All WE can do is deliver the message. (Ezekiel 3:17- 21) And before delivering such message, we would have to know that my Lord has judged such one, for WE… are to judge NO ONE.
Jesus Christ Himself said that people should judge what is right and what is wrong:
You err. My Lord said, “STOP judging.”
Luke 12:57: "And why do you not judge what is right even of yourselves?
You entirely misunderstand the verse, which is no longer a surprise to me. The word “judge” here is that which means DISCERN or DETERMINE… not judge as in drawing a conclusion about the righteousness… or lack thereof… of another.
Also, notice: 1 Timothy 1:18-20: This charge I commit to you, my son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that you may war by them the good warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I handed over to Satan so that they may be taught not to blaspheme. The Apostle Paul expelled Hymenaeus and Alexander because he judged them as blasphemers.
Again, you misunderstand a verse. Frist, Paul expelled no one here, but simply “handed them over.” In other words, he washed HIS hands of them. You again read more than is there. Second, the verse does not say blaspheme WHOM… and blasphemy is forgivable… even when it is against the Son. However, it is NOT forgivable against the Holy Spirit. .. and I believe that is our current topic. Third, the word here used as “blasphemers” is actually rendered “speak abusively.” What OCCURRED here then, is that Paul and these parted ways in their beliefs, so that such ones now spoke abusively about Paul and perhaps things in which they formerly put faith. In that light, both you and I could be accused of "blasphemy"… by the folks of the WTBTS. Just as THEY could be called “apostates” by Christendom.
Acts 13:45: And the Jews, seeing the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and spoke against the things being said by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. The writer of Acts [Luke], said that those Jews were blaspheming against what Paul was saying.
I do not disagree; they were, to the extent they were speaking abusively… or ill… of what Paul was saying. Just as you do of what I have said. Your point fails here.
James 2:7: Do they not blaspheme the noble Name by which you are called?
Who did James judge? If the people were NOT doing such a thing and James made his statement, then he was judging them. However, if they WERE doing such a thing... blaspheming Christ's Name... it was a forgivable act. It is blaspheming the Holy Spirit... what my Lord does and does not do, by means of being a "life-giving" spirit empowered and AUTHORIZED by God... that is unforgivable. And only my Lord can make such a charge. WHY? Because WE... do not know what is IN a man... what his motive and intention is. Only God and CHRIST do... so that it is only THEY who know whether such one is truly blaspheming the Spirit or not. You, however, have taken it upon yourself to know such a thing. Do you think Peter knew such a thing about Ananias and Sapphira on his OWN?
And yes, James, too, only pointed out what was TRUTHFULLY taking place: abusive speech.
Jude 1:8: Likewise indeed even these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme glories.
Same thing: Jude pointed out that certain ones were speaking abusively of glorious ones. But such can be forgiven.
Mark 3:28, 29
So, that claim that only the Son can accuse people of blasphemy is false.
Not with regard to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Only the Son can accuse people of the unforgivable blasphemy against the Spirit
I thought that's what we were speaking about. That is, after all, what you have accused me of in your previous post. You did not come right out and say it. Yet. But you will. Eventually. How do I know? Because like Paul... I am soon to "hand you over", just as I have been directed by my Lord. But I do not do it of my own initiative, for I have no such authority. As I told you above, I have given this matter careful consideration... and have spoken with my Lord on throughout my day. It is his direction, then, that I follow. It is HIS voice... that I must obey.
And why is it that you must be turned over? Because I have professed to you that I speak… by means of holy spirit, which spirit has been granted me by the Son of God, the Holy Spirit. Yet, you accuse me of speaking FALSELY, thus, implying that the spirit by which I speak is also false. And is not THAT blasphemy against the Spirit? And yet, I did not want to accuse you, so I took the matter to my Lord. No, that is not true. I was called by him and TOLD what it was that you had done. I tried to see past it; I asked that it be overlooked for you did not know what you were doing. His response is that you did not CARE - you were so concerned with YOUR righteousness and YOUR being right, that you REFUSED to hear the Spirit... even when it warned you... which warning you yourself HEARD... which is why you tried to cover the error of your heart with words to the effect that you were NOT judging. But as we will see below... you had indeed ALREADY judged me, no matter what your words said to the contrary... and it was my Lord that allowed you to bring it out. I, for my part, was willing to leave this matter some time ago. But YOU insisted. And now... here we are.
My Lord directed me to caution you; I did caution you. More than once. But... you were too far gone in your HEART to hear such caution... from me... or the spirit. The error, then, is yours... and you blood... is upon YOUR head.
What I said is, if someone hears a voice that contradicts the Scriptures, it is an evil spirit speaking.
And I would agree with you. IF that voice contradicted SCRIPTURE. You and I do not agree on what is SCRIPTURE, let alone on what that which IS scripture says or means. Now, I have used YOUR source, the BIBLE… to show you what is scripture, what my Lord SAID was scripture. I have used YOUR source, the BIBLE… to show how the gospels, particularly Luke, could NOT be scripture. What am I to do if you do not HEAR… and get the sense of it… even from your OWN source?
I stand by that statement as FACT and TRUTH revealed by my Lord Jesus Christ in the following Verses: 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 1 John 4:1; Galatians 1:8; Matthew 7:15-16; Matthew 24:4-5; Matthew 24:11; Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1; Mark 13:22; Luke 21:8; Acts 20:29-30; Ephesians 4:14; Colossians 2:8; Colossians 2:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:11; 1 John 2:18-19; 1 John 2:26; Revelation 13:14; Galatians 2:4; Titus 3:10. Will you actually read those Verses?
I've read them... and I agree with what they teach. However, I did not need to read them to understand what they are saying... nor who they apply to. .. For t here is an easier way… a MUCH easier way… and that is to ask my Lord what HIS position is. Since he knows ALL things, including what is IN a man, then he would know what the writer meant when writing these things. Thus, he is a MUCH more reliable source than those of whom it speaks, including, perhaps, you.
I am going to repeat my statement again, loud and clear: Any spirit or any human that contradicts the Holy Scriptures, the Bible, is a deceiver, a liar, and an Antichrist -- an enemy of the True Jesus Christ!
Again, I agree with your statement... and disagree with you regard (1) "the Holy Scriptures" is "the Bible"; (2) what IS scripture; (3) whether everything in "the Bible" is scripture; (4) whether the Bible contains ALL scripture; (5) whether that which is in the Bible and is NOT scripture has been mistranslated and mistransliterated; and (5) whether what IS scripture has or has not been tampered with.
From what I have heard, that includes your voice.
And thus, I pity you your lack of faith... and your blasphemy. May JAH's mercy be upon you, for you do NOT know what you are doing.
(NOTE: Last night, before I got further down, I had included this in my response: "Please, dear UnDf’d… again, I caution you: you risk blasphemy against the Spirit. It is true that any spirit or human who contradicts THE SCRIPTURES is a deceiver… and the scribes have been doing that for millenniums. So, that what is NOW recorded is not as reliable as the SOURCE of what is recorded. And it is the voice of that One that I hear… and by means of his spirit that I speak. I bid you… please… take care! For it is not my judgment nor that of Christ’s that will result, for by your own words… you will judge yourself!" Unfortunately, such words no longer apply... as I kept reading. For some reason, I did not want to, but I could not stop. Now... I know why.)
The gifts of the Holy Spirit had not been poured out, and the Fullness of The Holy Spirit had not been poured out until Jesus was Resurrected. However, some people certainly did have the Holy Spirit living in them, while Jesus was on Earth: Luke 1:15: For he shall be great before the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, while still in his mother's womb. How do you explain that? If Jesus is The Holy Spirit, then how did The Holy Spirit live in John the Baptist while Jesus was on Earth? Luke 1:66-67: And all those who heard them kept them in their hearts, saying, "What kind of child will this be?" And the hand of the Lord was with him. Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he prophesied, saying,
How was Zacharias filled with The Holy Spirit while Jesus was on Earth?
John and Zecharaiah… were filled with holy spirit, the LIFE FORCE of God… as were King Saul, David, Apollos, and others. Holy spirit, the life force of God, is NOT the same thing as THE Holy Spirit, my Lord. For how then could my Lord BAPTIZE his sheep WITH God, or WITH himself, or WITH another being, as John the Baptist said: “That one… will baptize you with fire and spirit,” which was first evidence at Pentecost 30CE? May I suggest you review your Greek capitalizations?
I can't believe what I am hearing.
No, it is because you do NOT believe... that you cannot HEAR. And you cannot HEAR... because you do not BELIEVE.
Now you are saying people who believe in a FALSE CHRIST can be saved by doing good works! Unbelievable! I am speechless.
I seriously doubt that you are: j ust look below . People… who do good works… DEMONSTRATE THEIR FAITH… BY their works! So that, whenever people of the nations (who did not have the Law) do… BY NATURE… the things OF the Law… they ARE a law… unto themselves. They are those who say they WON’T go… but do… contrasted by those who profess a faith… who say they WILL go… but don’t.
So, Rahab would have been saved if she had not believed in JAH? She would have been saved only because of her good works?
Rahab DIDN'T believe in JAH, not in the sense of Him being the God she worshipped. Rather, she'd HEARD of HIM... of what He'd done for the Israelites and she put FAITH in Him, in what He could DO... and thus she hid the spies in exchange not only for HER salvation, but that of her ENTIRE household. The others... DID NOTHING... except come to her house. And yet, THEY WERE SAVED.
Rahab was saved because of her faith... was DEMONSTRATED… by her works. She could have SAID she had faith… all day long. But unless and until she DID something to SHOW it… it was moot. She DID something: she hid the spies. Hebrews 11 explains this entire concept, as does James 2:14-25.
If people can be saved by doing good works without having faith, then CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING: Galatians 2:21: I do not annul the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died for nothing."
One cannot be saved by doing works… OF THE LAW (Covenant); one is saved, by means of doing works… of the NEW Covenant: loving God, Christ, neighbor and enemy… and actively DEMONSTRATING such love. For LOVE… is the Law’s FULFILLMENT.
You AGUEST, have just said that Christ died for nothing.
And you, UnDf'd, have a problem with hearing... as well as reading comprehension. But we've already gone over that. Sigh! I said that my Lord died so that those who exercise faith in him might live. And yet, as John said at 1 John 2:2: “he is a propitiatory sacrifice for ours sins, yet NOT FOR OURS ONLY… but for the WORLD’S.
Romans 10:9-14: that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him shall not be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord of all is rich to all who call upon Him. For "whosoever shall call upon the Name of the LORD shall be saved." How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear apart from a preacher?
First, I would tell you that you REALLY need to re-read these verses in the Greek. Truly. Because that last one is SO misleading... I don't even know how to bring anyone who believes that implication back from such misleading. It would take an entirely different thread. And I am now tired, as I am sure anyone reading this thread certainly must be.
But, to make it as clear as I can right now, this is speaking of and to the brothers of my Lord… the ones to whom Paul wrote: those “called”… from among the Jews AND among the nations… to be “holy ones”. What of those who are NOT his brothers? Read Matthew 25:31-46, please.
Paul said that people are saved by (1) Believing in Jesus as Lord and in His Resurrection; (2) Confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord; (3) calling on the Name of Lord!
In that context, Paul was speaking to the “holy ones”, Jews and Gentiles. For I tell you truly, UnDf'd, if a man is able to keep the Law, then he is declared righteous by MEANS of the Law, so as to receive life. He... does not NEED a saviour, for he himself has KEPT the Law. However, since NO man can do that, by Lord gave himself as a sacrifice to "cover" the sins and errors of anyone putting faith in him. What of the NEW Covenant? As my Lord said, "to the extent you did it to the LEASE of these MY BROTHERS, you did it to me. Come! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world." Love, then, is the Law's fulfillment.
Then Paul said "How shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" Why doesn't John 3:16 say, "whoever believes in Him, or whoever just does enough good works, shall be saved"?
Just enough good works? Can there be such a thing? Yet, I bid you read Matthew 10:42.
That is truly convenient!
No, it is merciful. And that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it?
Everything in the Bible that does not agree with what you believe, or with what your voice says, has been corrupted or altered! Now I see. Sure.
With the voice of my Lord, yes.
I do not believe that the voice speaking to you is Christ's voice.
My previous response: "Whose voice, then, do you believe it to be? I bid you… take care and think… deeply… before you respond. Even better… ASK him."
My current response: Believe what you will. Matthew 15:14
I believe it is a FALSE christ's voice. I believe it is a DEMON's voice.
And, well, there: you have said it. It was inevitable, though, wasn’t it? You were walking SO close to that line… how could you not cross it. So that now I am compelled by my Lord to say to YOU, by means of the spirit of my Father, the Most Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH… of Armies… which spirit is in me by means of my Lord, His Son and Christ, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH… that it is you… who blaspheme… and it is against the Holy Spirit that you do so. So now, the judgment with which you judged... is upon you. May God be merciful with you. May He, in His loving kindness and infinite wisdom, pardon your error. For again, you do NOT know what you are doing and have done. Yet, may not my will take place… but His.
Again, may the peace that I have wished you throughout return upon me. I leave you to my Lord.
A slave of Christ, my means of an anointing with holy spirit,
SJ
