J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

by The Fall Guy 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Perhaps potential J.W. recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.

    w98 2/1 p. 11 par. 13 – “When Jehovah made his covenant, it was only with Israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”

    This statement is then followed by citing Exodus 12:38; 19:3, 7, 8 as scriptural “proof” that the org is being accurate, honest and truthful.

    Being selective with scriptures to prove a point? Isn't that what bad old Christendom is accused of by the WTBTS?

    Deuteronomy 29:10-15 denounces the lie and the liars at the WTBTS, and obliterates at a stroke their "type/antitype" dogma of the 2 tier system.

    All of you are stationed today before Jehovah your God, the heads of your tribes, your elders, your officers, every man of Israel, 11 your children, your wives, and your foreign resident who is in the midst of your camp, from the one gathering your wood to the one drawing your water. 12 You are here in order to enter into the covenant of Jehovah your God and his oath, which Jehovah your God is making with you today 13 in order that he may establish you today as his people and that he may be your God, just as he has promised you and just as he swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.14 “Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath, 15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

    Where is a "new light" when you need one?

  • sir82

    The WTS doesn't care about contradictions.

    They sometimes contradict themselves within the same Watchtower article.

  • OneEyedJoe

    Too wordy to work on 95% of JWs, in my experience. When faced with more than a few sentences, especially about something as abstract as a covenant with modern JWs being modeled after one with isreal and figuring out who was included....what's going to happen is they won't focus enough to hold it all in their mind (they've been trained not to think, the cult does that for them) at once. Because they can't keep proper focus they just assume that the bit that they're missing is the explanation for the "apparent" contradiction, and that if you asked the right elder or GB member you'd get a very satisfactory answer indeed.

  • OnTheWayOut

    I was schooled by old-time JW's. I don't even have to really fully understand your point to give a JW answer.

    NO, Christendom is not just being selective with scriptures. They take them out of context and they twist them.
    Watchtower enlightens us with understanding using the whole Bible. If you think a point is taken out of context or too selective, we will be glad to study with you and show you how the entire Bible is in harmony and points to God's Kingdom as the solution to man's problems.

    (Hold on while I pile on.) And Christendom refuses to keep up with the chariot. Any seeming contradictions are eventually cleared up by continually examining the scriptures and praying for guidance (and reading the latest crap from WTS).

    (We will show you that Watchtower somehow covers both sides of an issue over the years and refers back to whichever quote we need to prove the current understanding.)

  • waton

    The issue is simpler. All of Israel was supposed to be in the law covenant. all, 12 tribes +

    Now in wt dog-ma, the 12 tribes are not in the covenant, (they are the Earthly Class), and only the Priest/Kings are in the covenant.

    so: how can a confusion be simpler? only in wt land.

  • darkspilver

    Hi The Fall Guy - interestingly a previous poster here - The Searcher - made the same point as your OP, with similiar references, though expanded.

    In fact The Search did a whole series of nine points - with your OP being covered in number 3.

    FYI I've listed the whole series below - unfortunately The Searcher doesn't appear to post here anymore, a pity as I'm sure you'd have enjoyed the stuff they posted.


    #1 Dealing with Sinners

    #2 The Great Tribulation

    #3 Foreigners Were Not Participants of the Mosaic Covenant

    #4 There Are Two Ways to Get Sins Wiped Out

    #5 "God's" Law on Shunning is Flexible For Elders!

    #6 The "Governing Body" Resolved the Circumcision Issue

    #7 Birthdays

    #8 "Jehovah's Witnesses" is Our Scriptural Name!

    #9 There are TWO classes of J.W's
  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    @ darkspliver (or spilver) - H.L.& S :) Your M.O. is so transparent.

    Having viewed some of your past comments, you appear to have a problem with any scriptural topics which put the cult's dogmas in a poor light. Hmmmm.

    The WT mole surfaces again.

  • darkspilver

    The Fall Guy: Having viewed some of your past comments, you appear to have a problem with any scriptural topics which put the cult's dogmas in a poor light. Hmmmm.

    Pardon? No I don't.

    That's kinda why I pointed you in the direction of a post by the The Searcher from last year who also picked up on the principle of your OP. I'm not disagreeing with you, quite the opposite. I thought it was interesting how The Searcher expanded on the principle with regard to memorial partaking.

    I thought you might also be interested? but then maybe you don't agree with that old post? from a 'WT mole'? Ah, and by me linking to that old post, you're saying it's surfaced again.

  • venus

    The Fall guy,

    Deuteronomy 29:10-15 really undercut JW teaching.

    Excellent observation.

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    @ darkspilver - thank you for your posts. It's good to see different perspectives on certain topics - past and present - and also to highlight them as you have done. I reckon that most newbies are like me and have not researched historical posts here, unless cited or quoted by others. To use an old org mantra - "repetition for emphasis" - I think it would be beneficial for such ones to read some of those posts which you previously listed, as well as some other ones. I will always provide attributable links for any which I copy & paste.

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