Should I get babtized?
NO!! Don't get baptized. We know by experience. When you turn 18, get a job and move out. And quit going to meetings and field service outright. That way you can leave the Borg without having to face a JC and having your name blasted through the KH when they announce you are DF'd. Don't get baptized!!!!! Don't!!! We know by experience. It's a lot easier in the long run. Believe us!!!!!! PlEASE!!
1. Disappear overnight.
2. Come back with a glowing smile.
3. Tell them you got baptized by elopement--it's a new trend among youth--you disappear like someone running away to get married, but you get baptized instead.
If Jehovah holds you accountable whether you're baptised or not, then why all the pressure to get baptised? It obviously doesn't matter, right?
And it is supposed to be a personal decision. Even Jehovah didn't push his son to do so, and Jesus was thirty when it happened. So parents are really overstepping their bounds.
Oh, and yeah, DON'T DO IT!!!!!!
- Say yes, enthusiastically!
- Share the baptism questions on here and tell us when your meeting with the elders is to go over each question.
- We will help you prepare and give you answers that are both hilarious and thought-provoking. You will be totally complying with your parents' wishes while having a riotously good time and disqualifying yourself.
When I was your age, I would have done anything to obey my JW parents. If they had raised the topic of baptism, I'd have said a hearty, "Yes!"
As it turned out, they raised the topic a couple of years later when I turned 17 and, yes I dutifully obeyed.
However, the difference between you and me is very striking:
I actually believed it was the truth and had no inkling whatsoever about TTATT.
You do know TTATT. So, your opening line is absolutely correct: You asked us a ridiculous question - but it's great that you know that it's ridiculous.
I would question them constantly on the issue of justification.
It's a big word I know. All it means is "how we get our sins forgiven."
Read Matthew 26: 27 & 28 from the NWT :
As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.
Tell them that you want to be shown from the New Testament how a person can get their sins forgiven OUTSIDE of the New Covenant. Assure them that once they can show you that scripture you'll be happy to get baptized.
When they start demanding that they ARE part of the New Covenant, even though they officially and very publicly show that they ARE NOT part of the NC each Memorial, ask to see a scriptural reference to people getting saved from judgment that reject the emblems.
When they cannot; remind them that the doctrines instituted by Jesus and the apostles cannot be changed without incurring a curse:
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. - Gal. 1: 8
Remind them that it is they that taught you to revere the scriptures and that your questions are sincere. You REALLY do not want to be judged by God for your sins.
Read up on the Reformation and how the issue of whether or not a person's church can save them was settled 500 years ago.
My website has some other info along these lines here. But keep it simple. Don't allow them to drag you into any other topic! Let this be your motto:
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Cor. 2:2
"..super strict jw who will shun you just for not being a witness. That's what they do to my aunt, she was raised a witness but never got babtized so they view her the same as being disfellowshipped."
"The pressure won't lessen after baptism it will increase." I could not have put it better. With such uber jw parents it will then be pioneer don't do college don't go to that movie, don't buy this or that, don't associate with this or that one. They are attempting as s o many parents do to relive their lives through yourself.
You sound a very savvy girl. I wish you a long life and prosper. and like others have said Jesus was not baptised at 16.
what is your fav subject at school?
Blackwolf: She told me that Jehovah holds me accountable for my sins regardless of wether I am babtized or not so I have no reason to be holding back because it won't change anything.
I don't think your mother has the WT doctrine down correctly. It has been a loooong time since I was a JW, but, back in the day....what she told you would be incorrect.
The teaching at the time that I was active was that the ones held accountable for the sins of an unbaptized minor are the parents.
Children are judged upon the sins of the mother and father. It is your mother that has to watch herself, not you. She is responsible for your 'salvation' based upon her behaviour, not yours.
She wants you to get baptized to relieve herself of that responsibilty.
Baptism is not the solution to loneliness but rather, it is the path to permanent isolation.
Hang in there, Blackwolf....just a couple more years and the world is yours. It is just waiting for you to join it.
Then when I leave I will disasociate myself and things wouldn't be any different than if I hadn't gotten babtized in the first place,
You will be treated differently as a disassociated person than as someone unbaptised. Maybe ultra strict JWs such as your parents will treat you the same as first but most JWs are far more likely to speak with someone never baptised.
Being baptised won't make much difference in how the teenagers treat you, and as you know, as soon as you stop going to meetings they will all dump you as a friend anyway.
Don't do it. The greatest prison people love in is the fear of what others think. Free yourself from that.