Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"
@ - LongHairGal - You are absolutely correct. We are talking about over 20 yrs ago. I was in my very early 20s, and was gone not too long after all that hypocrisy was thrown in my face. I have been out for about 20 yrs now, and my how this Org has changed.
They bygone days, and flashing of money, is quite over, like you said. There has been a degeneration on EVERY level of the Borg, and its very much out of the decline phase, and fully into the decay phase, at this point. Its only getting worse, or better, depending on how you look at it, lol.
@ - Fulano & Pete Zahut - I knew Russ Kurzen as well. I did not know him incredibly well, as I was young when I met him. My Father had dealings with him on quite a few occasions, and I, in turn, met him thru that. He was kind of an ambassador of Bethel, and he would arrange certain visits for us.
One time he invited my Father, and of course myself, Mother, and sister down to sit at the "head" table. He was a short, little, energetic dude, with a cheery disposition, from what I remember. He DID seem like a very humble, sincere human being. I am a good judge of character, and I did NOT sense any "bad vibes" from him, even at that young age, and into my late teens.
I remember hearing from some Bethelites back then, that the running joke about Russ Kurzen, was "what did Russ Kurzen DO", lol. It was basically known that Russ just kinda hung around, and didn't do too much. He was like a figure head, always floating around, with no specific job assignment or purpose, lol. He was simply Russ Kurzen, you knew him, and you loved him.
@ - Fulano - If I recall correctly, I think it was Jaracz whos table I sat at once, when we were invited up one time. What I remember is, whoever it was at the head, did NOT talk at all, and he had a fake, younger looking wife sitting right next to him. One thing that stood out the most, and if it was Jaracz this will probably confirm it, is he ate like a hillbilly. He took his fork and scraped everything together into the middle of his plate. His meatloaf, his lima beans, and his mashed potatoes, were all mushed together into one big glob, piled up into the center of his plate. He THEN proceeded to spoon it all into his mouth, and did not eat a bite until it was all mushed together.
Needless to say, that's what I remembered most about that visit to Bethel, and sitting at the "head" table. It was how disgusting I thought it was that he mushed all his food together.
Does that sound like Jaracz to you? I don't remember who it was, but that's how he ate, lol.
Yes that is the man, eating like a Lumberjack...
I knew kurzen. Was in East Manhattan Congo with him then split to Murray Hill congregation
In what year was that? I was with him in Heights. He was getting real old. Barr was in that als well, as wel as a couple of guys from the WD which never attended. Barr did though. A nice humble couple.
What is Bethel Prestige?
I only knew 2 interracial couples in the 70's married to black females, none of which had any prestigious jobs.
CoCo a poster here had a "prestigious "job and his overseer was the most respected non-anointed brother in bb neither of which had anything better than the rest of us except that after 15 or 20 years of working 60 hour weeks plus other work building work and assignments, you got seniority to bid to room in towers and have a room with no roommate. I only remember 2 married couples, maybe a couple more who gleaned lunch left overs. The rest bought in commissary and at the local deli. Food was cheap and the allowance covered it. (It cost a dime to bring your suit to the bethel dry cleaners.)
You could not even park a Volkswagen in the heights, let alone a townscar overnight in the 70s.
Pete. I was there in the 1960's, was in my early - mid teens. When the split happened we had to go. Bob Gott and Fred Hilmo were the two presiding overseers respectly. We probably knew each other.
By the 90's there were parking spots in various locations near 90 Sands and Adams Street that could be applied for and a number of brothers had nice cars. Some from family and some from gifts. It wasn't all of them but some did. One individual that came in with me had a BMW 325i. The brother I rode to the meetings with had a nice Acura that our congregation bought him that was about 4 years old. The East New York congregation that was the sister Congregation for Thomas Jefferson.
The Office complex were all the heavies were could call the front desk and request cars for pickups to the airport because they would not use the Bethel shuttle and they also had access to the myriad of Buicks that they kept on hand as well.
Russ Kurzen was, for much of the 50s and 60s, receptionist at the 107 building.