Babylon the Great

by Godlyman 121 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Jeffro


    How else would the scripture speak about captains and sailors looking at its destruction from a distance?

    🙄 Compare Matthew 4:8.

    Descriptions in Revelation are explicitly metaphorical but you insist a literal interpretation. But when a story in Matthew is presented as literal, it is freely accepted as metaphor (or a ‘vision’). 🤦‍♂️ Unless you’re a flat earther as well. 😂

  • Godlyman


    In fact there is a city today that leads the world. In the past it has been other great cities. But today it is New York. There is no other city so influential as New York in our time, much due to the Rockefeller foundation. And the spiritistic Masonic Lodges world leaders belong to

  • Godlyman

    It seems as though these scriptures describe the attack on the world trade center located in New York, which is where the stock exchange is located:

    “The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’ “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.

    The New York Stock Exchange is the world’s largest stock exchange. It provides a marketplace for buying and selling millions of corporate stocks and other securities per day. The NYSE lists much of the S&P 500, the Dow Jones Industrial Average, and the world's largest corporations.

  • Jeffro


  • Godlyman

    Babylon the Great is the world economy I do believe. Nothing else makes any sense. All nations, countries, etc. are dependent upon economics in order to sustain their government.

    What is Economic Collapse?

    Economic collapse refers to a period of national or regional economic breakdown where the economy is in distress for a long period, which can range from a few years to several decades. During periods of economic distress, a country is characterized by social chaos, social unrest, bankruptcies, reduced trade volumes, currency volatility, and breakdown of law and order.

    Now why would God direct His people to get out of the stock market? It is so they do not lose their financial wealth or means to support their way of life.

    And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

  • Godlyman

    Now why would God hate world economics? Did He ever intend for people to sell to others that which He intended to be free by means of work through our own hands? Say for instance, farming for our own sustenance in order to provide for our family's rather than others creating wealth for themselves by selling products to other nations. In fact, many wars are fought over resources which could benefit a particular group.

    9 Wars That Were Really About Commodities

  • peacefulpete

    Rome was the capitol of a huge empire with coinage with deified emperors and gods embossed. They governed hundreds of ports and all roadways, taxed and regulated commerce for much of known world. What is unclear?

  • Godlyman

    These two events have hurt the economy: 911 event and Covid

    • The 9/11 terrorist attacks on America caused significant economic damage in the immediate aftermath, rippling through global financial markets.
    • Airlines and insurance companies took the hardest immediate hit, and U.S. stock markets initially fell more than 10% in the days after.
    • Despite its lasting impact on the American psyche, the economic and financial impact of 9/11 was fairly muted, with markets bouncing back months after to new highs.
    • This was helped, in part, by a resilient American economy along with support and stimulus from the federal government.

    While it is difficult to tell exactly what the economic damage from the global COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic has been, it has had severe negative impacts on the global economy. During 2020, the world's collective gross domestic product (GDP) fell by 3.4 percent. To put this number in perspective, global GDP reached 84.54 trillion U.S. dollars in 2020 – meaning that a 3.4 percent drop in economic growth results in over two trillion U.S. dollars of lost economic output. However, the global economy quickly recovered from the initial shock, reaching positive growth levels again in 2021. That year, it reached 92.3 trillion U.S. dollars and it is expected to continue to grow in the coming years, although Russia's war in Ukraine since February 2022 and its impact on the world's economy may hamper economic growth.

    Has the fulfillment of Babylon the Great prophecy taken place, or are we to expect a greater world economic collapse? I am looking for answers to the meaning of Babylon the Great. Any thoughts on the matter aside from Empire of False Religion? I believe that Babylon the Great has fallen, but the finality of its doom will be when Christ arrives in The Kingdom of God in all of his glory.


    Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore. No craftsman of any craft shall be found in you anymore, and the sound of a millstone shall not be heard in you anymore. The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

  • Fisherman

    there just wasn’t enough wiggle room

    There is. For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained at a wt study which established a basis for some aspects of a prophecy not to have a greater fulfillment or exact parallel while other parts do have multiple fulfillments.

    The entire Bible is decoded by JW commentary. What remains is the realization of JW eschatology.: Cry of peace and security and the end of religion. JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.

  • Jeffro


    For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained

    No, it wasn’t a ‘new method of Bible study’ as if they made some brilliant discovery. They just reduced their reliance on the practice introduced by Rutherford (borrowed from other Protestant groups) of ‘types and antitypes’.

    JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.

    Whether they’re convinced or not, they’re still wrong.

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