Babylon the Great

by Godlyman 121 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Fisherman

  superstitious belief

  If that is the case, end of discussion.

  Now, if we consider that the Bible is the word of God as a given factor, then we are looking for values of variables such as the meaning of BTG using the entire Bible as an equation

  Since we already know the answer when we consider the Bible is a sham, we are not trying to validate the Bible in this equation. That is a different equation —and subject —and being a troll —and disruptive. The book of Revelation describes the fall of Babylon the great, the great tribulation, Armageddon, the Millennium, Resurrection of the dead, etc.

  Start your own topic about the validity of the Bible. Your comments would be relevant under that subject.

  Respectfully,

  FM
  
  
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  Jeffro

  No, that’s called begging the question. The subject of this thread is the meaning of ‘Babylon the Great’ in Revelation. It’s Rome, irrespective of whether you think the Bible is magical.
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  Fisherman

  the Bible is “magical”

  It is not Rome because the great tribulation and Armageddon did not happen and neither did Rome suffer the same fate as BTG.
  
  
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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️

  If that is the case, end of discussion.

  It would be if the participants were rational.
  
  
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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  It is not Rome because the great tribulation and Armageddon did not happen and neither did Rome suffer the same fate as BTG.

  This kind of irrational thinking is why religions survive. ‘Believers’ aren’t really interested in the actual intent of the Bible authors. They are interested in what keeps the myth ‘relevant’. The obvious intended meaning failed (e.g. Rome wasn’t destroyed as expected)? Fine, just replace it with an unverifiable assertion. A Bible ‘prophecy’ explicitly failed (e. g. Tyre will never be rebuilt or found)? Fine, just ignore the inconvenient verses altogether. It’s really very tedious.
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  Kosonen

  Hi You all who are interested to know what Babylon the Great is, why don't you just look at the arguments I present on my website.

  https://www.comejesus.net/comments-to-revelation-17

  https://www.comejesus.net/comments-to-revelation-18
  
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  Jeffro

  Kosenen:

  why don't you just look at the arguments I present on my website.

  Because you’re making up nonsense that you imagine makes Revelation relevant to the present era.
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  Vanderhoven7

  
  

  From O Bible.org

  "THE GREAT CITY”

  One of the simplest, yet strongest clues that Jerusalem is to be understood as the harlot of Babylon is that John seems to give the answer away directly to the observant reader in a couple of key places in Revelation. At the end of chapter 17, the interpreting angel tells John the identity of the adulterous woman explicitly: “The woman whom you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth” (hJ gunh h}n eide" e[stin hJ povli" hJ megavlh hJ e[cousa basileivan ejpi tw'n basilevwn th'" gh'"). This phrase “the great city” seems to be set forth with the assumption that the reader knows what city that would be, and the phrase is tossed around several more times in this passage.47 Moreover, the phrase appears to be used quite exclusively in the book of Revelation. Outside of this passage, in which it occurs many times, all of which clearly refer to Babylon, the phrase only appears twice in the rest of this twenty-two-chapter book. The first, and most important occurrence of the designation “the great city” is in 11:8, which reads, “And [the two witnesses’] bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified” (to ptw'ma aujtw'n ejpi th'" plateiva" th'" povlew" th'" megavlh" h{ti" kalei'tai pneumatikw'" Sovdoma kai Ai[gupto" o{pou kai oJ kuvrio" aujtw'n ejstaurwvqh).48
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  Kosonen

  Good point Vanderhoven7 about the expression "the great city". That expression repeats in 5 different verses in Revelation 18. And Rev 18:18 says that captains and sailors "cried out as they looked at the smoke from her burning and said: ‘What city is like the great city?’ "

  It is so evident from this verse that Babylon the Great is a city on a coast. How else would the scripture speak about captains and sailors looking at its destruction from a distance?
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  Vidiot

  Fred Franz’ old Cold-War-centric End Times narrative was too specific for its own good; there just wasn’t enough wiggle room for the finer details if current events didn’t play out according to the script.

  The Org seems to be stuck with it, though, ‘cause there’s no one left at WTHQ with the creative and narrative chops to give it a proper 21st-Century overhaul.

  At this point, all they can really do is soft-pitch the weirder or more implausible bits and hope it still sticks.