Babylon the Great

by Godlyman 121 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • wozza

    I definitely think Vanderhoven7 is winning this round with Fisherman.

    When I was in I had naughty thoughts of either Jerusalem being babylon the great ,seems more logical for the people of the times and into the future.

    The WTS points to the Religions of this world as BTG ,and says the Political system and the Financial system are a part of the triad of Satan ,but if you look at all of them they have always been whores as a triad. Why can't Babylon the great be them riding the world empire of ,say ,Science and technology ?

    Surely Science and technology could be considered a great force and powerful giving the atom bomb and war tools that bring so much misery to so many people. Amongst them are brilliant minds but they can't seem to work out that they are whoring their skills for prestige and fame!

    Some may defend them claiming they are saving many thru scientific discoveries ,but is this not just the make-up of a whore ,painting up something insidiously diseased to be attractive? (Oops maybe Science is Babylon)

    OK so before you think I'm nuts ,I was trying to demonstrate how flexible the bible is to change any real truthful meaning, at least that was my own original thoughts ,not like the WTS and the likes of them stealing others religious ideas .

  • Guess

    Jerusalem does not reign over kings of the earth. I see no entity that does. Religion reigns over the king's. Come on now.

  • Jeffro


    Major premise#1: Three times this Babylon is called “O great city” (Rev 18:9, 16, 19) Minor premise #1: “The great city” is “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8) Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon

    Premise rejected. Jerusalem did not (and does not) have ‘a kingdom over other kings’), which definitely refers to 1st century Rome. Nor is it necessary that there can only be 1 ‘great city’.

    As your first premise is rejected, it is not necessary to continue.

  • wozza

    I'm sorry Guess but didnt Britain in the early 20th century help the jews to get Jerusalem back and later in 1967? Is not America strongly supportive of jews keeping power in the middle east?

  • Guess

    Babylon the Great exists in our day and nothing you say relates to today's events silly wabbit, tricks are for kids.

  • Fisherman

    and covetousness, which is idolatry:

    That is not the idolatry that describes Babylon the Great. Jews never practiced idolatry or spiritism again nor in the first century. Neither was Jerusalem a kingdom. It was a subjugated city paying taxes with zero influence over Rome let alone the kings of the earth. The religious leaders of Jesus’s day were not the consorts of the Romans or anybody else. Romans had their own gods. It is obvious the facts are self evident. Conclude as you wish.

  • wozza

    Ah guess follow the money

  • Vanderhoven7

    @ Fisherman

    Neither was Jerusalem a kingdom.

    If Jerusalem did not represent the kingdom of God, why did Jesus say, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matthew 21:43

    You can check the following out on

    Revelation 17:18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.

    What is the ONLY city with the scriptural authority to "reign over the Kings of the Earth?"


    Earthly Jerusalem, by Divine right and calling, was the preeminent city among all nations. The Hebrew/Biblical understanding of Jerusalem is that she is the "Chief of the nations" (Jeremiah 31:7; Ez 5:5), the Queen city of the earth (Lam 1:1/Rev 18:7). She, by Divine right and covenant, was appointed as the head of all nations (Deut 26:19; Deut 15:6; Deut 28:1,10-13), and the gentile kings recognized God's dwelling was at Jerusalem with the Hebrews (1 Ki 10:24; Luke 11:31; Ezra 1:2; Dan 2:47, 3:28-29, 4:1-3, 4:17, 4:34-37; Ezra 1; Ezra 4-7; Ezra 7:15,23).

    The Governor of all nations (Ps. 22:28) lived in Jerusalem in his House (Ez 7:15,23), and all the kingdom, power and might over earth was His (1 Chron 29:11-12). Indeed, all kings receive their power to rule from that Divine King (Rom 13:1-2,6; John 19:11; 1 Pet 2:13-14,17; Ez 1:2; Dan 1:1-2; Dan 2:20-21; Dan 2:37-38; Dan 2:47, Dan 3:28-29; Dan 4:1-3,17,34-37.).

    Without question, Jerusalem was the ONLY City with the Divine Right to "Reign over the Kings of the Earth"

    The "Woman" of Revelation, who is the "Great City" that "reigns over the Kings of the Earth" can only be Jerusalem.

  • Jeffro


  • TD

    The anti-Jewish interpretation dates from the 17th and 18th centuries (e.g Hardouin, Abauzit, etc.) and is frankly a little weird, given the context of Roman persecution.

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