How do I know the Bible is True?

by SwedishChef 106 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • gumby
    gumby

    Only if and when God opens your eyes, and you search the Scriptures open mindedly, will you realize how truly awe inspiring and wonderful God's word is.

    Hey SC,

    Do you have any idea how disgusting and irritating those kind of comments are to sane people? Do you REALLY think that all of us who don't like your IDEAS, have not prayed, and called out to God for truth?.

    Shelby quoted a scripture to be about "keep on knocking and it will be opened" My reply was would a loving father listen to his child knock on the door over and over and over.....and not open it!??? Why would not a loving God open the door to those who ask?

    If your answer is "we weren't really ready, or we weren't sincere, or our motive was bad, or God is being patient and teaching you something...........then you and your god can kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome

    maybe you need to contact one of jehovah's witnesses, they'll be able to help you develop faith in the authenticity of the bible....... but only the the NWT bible! :-)

  • LongHauler
    LongHauler

    Correction PD: The Witnesses will help you develop faith in the WatchTower, and when applicable, the Bible.

  • Analysis
    Analysis

    SwedishChef

    It was a long essay and I will not take the time to address every point, but I would like to make two points.

    First the Author said:

    "The earth would appear as a "circle" to all those who lived on it only if it were a sphere."

    It would also appear to be a "circle" if it were shaped as a Round Pizza! As a flat circle the description of the Tree in Daniel Chapter 4 that grew so that the whole world could see it could in fact happen. Our when the poetic expressions of the Sun moving across the sky could also be literally true. If the Hebrew word for circle could be translated into sphere, I think modern translations would do just that. The problem is that it really means circle, not sphere.

    As to fulfillment of prophecy how do you explain this?

    God told Josiah in 2 Kings 22:20 that he would die and be buried in Peace. In 2 Kings Chapter 23, it clearly shows he died at the hands of Pharaoh Neco when Josiah marched out with his army in battle.

    So where is the accuracy of Bible Prophecy? Two chapters in the same book prove the error of prophecy. Now the burden of proof is on the Bible to prove that the other Prophecies were not written after the fact. Or that the events that show the fulfillment of prophecy are not fabrications.

  • Realist
    Realist

    External Evidence
    That is, facts outside of the Bible demonstrate that it is a reliable and trustworthy source of information.
    Scientific Evidence
    No scientific fact has ever disproved the Bible in any way.

    Internal Evidence
    In addition to external evidence, there is internal evidence that gives us good reason to trust the Bible. In other words, there are facts inside of the Bible that demonstrate it is a reliable and trustworthy source of information.

    pathetic and LAUGHABLE !

  • ExpandedMind
    ExpandedMind

    I sincerely believed the Bible was the Word of God. Believe it or not that was one resource I had that gave me the strength to leave the Watchtower Organization. When the Bible said that we should "make sure of all things and hold fast to what is fine" I trusted that that was God's OK to question the Watchtower's teachings on various subjects without fear of His displeasure.

    But I went a step further. I started questioning the Bible. I figured if it was OK to question the Watchtower then it must be OK to question the Bible. How did I really know it was inerrant or inspired, except that I was told that it was? Sure, I read books from Evangelical Christians (or even the Watchtower when I was a JW) that made me feel my "faith" was based on something solid, but that wasn't unlike reading a Watchtower about something troubling me about the organization and feeling pumped up to keep on going, but without solid reasons for doing so... just "faith".

    I decided to find out what "ex-Christians" were saying about this issue, similar to finding out what ex-JWs said about the organization. Not that I took everything these ex-Christians stated as "truth" (there are ex-JWs that I think twist the truth about the Watchtower... why I don't know!), but there were enough issues raised that I was able to continue my research and reading and come to (what I feel are) some fairly solid conclusions. But I am always open to discussing these things.

    Just remember that there are always (at least) two sides to an issue and if you want the most balanced views, you need to read up what both sides are saying and then come to your conclusions.

    ExpandedMind

    "The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size." --- Oliver Wendell Holmes

  • SwedishChef
    SwedishChef

    Hello Analysis,

    Thank you for your response.

    You said "If the Hebrew word for circle could be translated into sphere, I think modern translations would do just that. The problem is that it really means circle, not sphere."

    If I'm not mistaken, there was no Hebrew word for "sphere". "Circle" is just about the best word that could have been used.

    God told Josiah in 2 Kings 22:20 that he would die and be buried in Peace. In 2 Kings Chapter 23, it clearly shows he died at the hands of Pharaoh Neco when Josiah marched out with his army in battle.
    Background and life of Josiah:
    The son of Amon, and his successor on the throne of Judah (2 Kings 22:1; 2 Chr. 34:1). His history is contained in 2 Kings 22, 23. He stands foremost among all the kings of the line of David for unswerving loyalty to Jehovah (23:25). He "did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, and walked in all the way of David his father." He ascended the throne at the early age of eight years, and it appears that not till eight years afterwards did he begin "to seek after the God of David his father." At that age he devoted himself to God. He distinguished himself by beginning a war of extermination against the prevailing idolatry, which had practically been the state religion for some seventy years (2 Chr. 34:3; comp. Jer. 25:3, 11, 29).
    In the eighteenth year of his reign he proceeded to repair and beautify the temple, which by time and violence had become sorely dilapidated (2 Kings 22:3, 5, 6; 23:23; 2 Chr. 34:11). While this work was being carried on, Hilkiah, the high priest, discovered a roll, which was probably the original copy of the law, the entire Pentateuch, written by Moses.
    When this book was read to him, the king was alarmed by the things it contained, and sent for Huldah, the "prophetess," for her counsel. She spoke to him words of encouragement, telling him that he would be gathered to his fathers in peace before the threatened days of judgment came. Josiah immediately gathered the people together, and engaged them in a renewal of their ancient national covenant with God. The Passover was then celebrated, as in the days of his great predecessor, Hezekiah, with unusual magnificence. Nevertheless, "the Lord turned not from the fierceness of his great wrath wherewith his anger was kindled against Judah" (2 Kings 22:3-20; 23:21-27; 2 Chr. 35:1-19). During the progress of this great religious revolution Jeremiah helped it on by his earnest exhortations.
    Soon after this, Pharaoh-Necho II. (q.v.), king of Egypt, in an expedition against the king of Assyria, with the view of gaining possession of Carchemish, sought a passage through the territory of Judah for his army. This Josiah refused to permit. He had probably entered into some new alliance with the king of Assyria, and faithful to his word he sought to oppose the progress of Necho.
    The army of Judah went out and encountered that of Egypt at Megiddo, on the verge of the plain of Esdraelon. Josiah went into the field in disguise, and was fatally wounded by a random arrow. His attendants conveyed him toward Jerusalem, but had only reached Hadadrimmon, a few miles south of Megiddo, when he died (2 Kings 23:28, 30; comp. 2 Chr. 35:20-27), after a reign of thirty-one years. He was buried with the greatest honours in fulfilment of Huldah's prophecy (2 Kings 22:20; comp. Jer. 34:5). Jeremiah composed a funeral elegy on this the best of the kings of Israel (Lam. 4:20; 2 Chr. 35:25). The outburst of national grief on account of his death became proverbial (Zech. 12:11; comp. Rev. 16:16).



  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    So when God says "you will be buried peacefully", it does not preclude the possibility of your dieing violently first.

    Reminds me of the Oracle of Delphi. She could never say anything straightforwardly either.

    Expatbrit

  • rem
    rem

    Leviticus 11:20-23

    20 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. 21 There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

    Yep. The Bible is always scientifically accurate.

    rem

  • donkey
    donkey

    Rem,

    "Bug" off!!

    Swedish Chef,

    I asked you to provide the evidence to your claim. Did you ignore me or forget me?

    Jack

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