by EndofMysteries 137 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Wow, never heard that story before wolfman.
It's crazy that kids can't drive until they are 15 or 16, drink until 21, but the law lets them handle and shoot uzi's with no age limit? So far an 8yr old and 9yr old both resulting in deaths, I wonder if any younger ones just hadn't happened yet.
I often have conversations with some of my north american clients about this firearm issue, and they are split over it. Liberals are against it, conservatives try to cling on to every stupid excuse to justify it. (Such as: "We need the guns should the need to fight the government arises".WTF??) I just can't understand how a sane parent can allow a small child near a deadly gun. It's beyond stupid. It's beyond negligent. It's criminal.
Eden
For god sake DO NOT GIVE KIDS ACCESS TO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS whether supervised or not!
What is there not to understand?
Quite frankly shirley I have a lot of respect for you & your input on this forum but your arguments on this thread are way off.
Hoab
How anyone defends this level of stupidity is beyond me....
"Instructor" kept his head right in the danger zone for when it kicked back, he even stood on her weak side just to be sure she couldnt miss his fat head with his face 18 inches from certain death. What a freaking retard.
Long barrel shotguns are dramatically less dangerous than Uzi sub-machine guns....They are also a legitimate tool for civilians to hunt with. An Uzi has no place outside of military use.
Agreed.
That's why it's a Class III firearm and not available to the general public. The only place most people will ever see or fire an Uzi is at a gun range, like this one, that has a Class III permit and qualified instructors.
I get the impression that many posting here think Uzi's are widely available, every American owns one, and carries it with them wherever they go. Not true.
Regardless, after watching the video, it's obvious she was not qualified to handle this gun and the instructor should have seen that. A tragedy.
Long barrel shotguns are dramatically less dangerous...unless Dick Chaney is wielding one.
Good one.
Hoab: Quite frankly shirley I have a lot of respect for you & your input on this forum but your arguments on this thread are way off.
I'm not advocating that 9 year-olds should be firing automatic weapons. I think some are assuming that I am.
Survival of the fittest.
Thankfully this dumbass will never again reproduce.
Doc
Less than a week ago, one reader sent us photos of the assault weapons he had purchased at a gun show without a background check. He then taunted the government to "come take his guns." Today another reader, who spent his Saturday morning fighting the crowds at a Florida gun show, sent us this picture of his purchase.
The 9mm Uzi sold for $1,400. Because the gun was used, and sold by an individual, there was no background check; the only item required for purchase was a local driver's license.
To commenters: Full auto conversion bolts for this weapon are available online. Yes, it's an NFA regulated Class 3 Item and will transfer to your Class 3 dealer on a Form 4 with buyer responsible for paying the $200.00 transfer tax.
The automatic conversion is simple, though. Once it's converted, the Uzi 9mm can shoot up to 600 rounds per minute — in theory.
"This gun is only meant for killing people," the reader said. "It's just a wall of lead. It's so f--king cool!"
The Uzi came with two 32 round clips magazines, and he expects to sell it for up to $6,000 if laws are passed limiting such purchases in the future.
Parents taking kids to these places aren't taking them there for Uzi training, the majority of the time, they are taking them there just to let them shoot. These places often have small stores where you can pick up kitchy stuff, sometimes some cigarettes and beer, postcards, t-shirts, caps and so on. This family was on vacation and so it's pretty obvious that this trip to the range was what they wanted to do - some people stick to Disney. Now, what if you are advised to choose a different weapon for your child to shoot and you refuse - do you blame the parent or do you blame the instructor/owner? sw
Jan. 7, 2011 By MARY PLUMMER via WORLD NEWS
The teenager who worked at a gun show where 8-year-old Christopher Bizilj accidentally killed himself while shooting an Uzi testified today he twice suggested the boy's father pick a less powerful weapon for the boy to shoot.
But Christopher's father, Dr. Charles Bizilj, insisted that his son be allowed to fire the automatic weapon, Michael Spano told the court. Spano was 15 at the time of the 2008 Massachusetts gun expo and was put in charge of allowing people to fire the 9 mm Micro Uzi, a submachine gun that fires 20 rounds a second.
Former Pelham, Mass., police chief Edward Fleury is on trial for the boy's death because he organized the gun expo. He is charged with involuntary manslaughter. He has pleaded not guilty.
The most dramatic moment of the trial came Thursday when the court watched video recorded by Charles Bizilj of the boy handling the gun. The father, who was on the stand at the time, closed his eyes as the video showed the boy struggling to handle the gun's recoil. The barrel reared up and shot the boy in the head. The court room gasped and the boy's mother left the courtroom in tears.
The family may have to relive that moment again in painstaking detail. The prosecution has asked that the video be played again, this time frame by frame. The judge has not yet ruled on that request.
The judge did dismiss a juror today, although the reason for removal was not disclosed. The woman was seen crying during a private discussion with the judge and lawyers. There are 15 remaining jurors, including three alternates.
Spano told the court today that the Micro Uzi was a very popular model at the gun expo and had been requested by Fleury.
The teenager said police were at the expo and were aware that children were shooting the weapons.
During Spano's testimony today he said that he warned Christopher's father about the gun prior to giving it to Christopher. Initially Spano had offered Christopher a gun that shot only one round at a time, but Dr. Bizilj asked him to give his son a fully automatic weapon that would shoot continuously, Spano said.
The teenager said he suggested for a second time that a non-automatic weapon would be better for the boy, but the father dismissed his concern.
"You trusted Mr. Bizilj to make the best decisions for his children?" defense attorney Rosemary Curran Scapicchio asked. Spano said he did.
"And no one stopped an 8-year-old from shooting, is that fair to say?" Scapicchio asked. Spano agreed.
Spano said he put the gun in Christopher's hands. "He began to shoot. As I remember he was shooting fine. Something happened. It came back and shot him in the face," Spano said.
Scapicchio maintains that Fleury should not be held responsible for Christopher's death. "[The father] had the opportunity to ask questions and he chose not to," she told ABCNews.com.
She said the father "had the authority at all times to stop the shooting, and he chose not to."
Spano is the son of Domenico Spano who is also charged with involuntary manslaughter for his role in providing the guns at the expo. A third man, Carl Guiffre, faces identical charges. Both men have pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial.
State police Sgt. John Crane told the court that the gun wasn't being properly held by the boy to control the kick of such a powerful gun, and that Christopher looked inexperienced and unsure of where to place his hands.
"The recoil on this gun is considerable," Crane said. "This weapon fires very quickly. The rate of fire is tremendous."
Crane said he did not arrest anyone the day of the shooting."The weapon was not safe for the child to fire," he told Scapicchio during the final comments of the day. The trial will resume on Monday.
Buffy Spencer of The Republican newspaper and MassLive.com contributed to this report
