One aspect of evolution that does not make sense..... (page 14)

cofty

The amount of effort that has been made in recent years to explain evolution in simple terms is massive. Some of us are just weary of lazy and dishonest thinking.

Once again we have somebody conflating evolution and atheism and misrepresenting both.

Viviane

Hey you supposedly "smart" atheists, riddle me this:

- If life evolved from the organic compounds, why are there still organic compounds?

- If atheists evolved from religious people, why are there still religious people?

- If the Bible isn't true, how come it says it is?

- If evolution is true, why haven't we evolved wings to avoid airports yet?

Yeah... thought so. Boom goes the the dynamite.

EndofMysteries

Thanks for your input Apog. If you notice this thread has had about 2,300 views, and I promise those who have posted account for a tiny part of that.

It seems that maybe some who reply to my posts don't understand the difference between acceptance and taking in answers vs debate.

If I ask a question, sometimes I am only looking for answers and I'll probably accept the explanation with no challenge. Sometimes I want to debate so if I ask a question, I am not responding in a way where I am accepting the information and believing it, but I am looking for loopholes.

I do not get upset with debate but it seems many do get upset and frustrated. They need to understand the positive aspects of it.

1. checks and balances - each side wants to believe it is correct and each side is predisposed to more easily agree and accept. The opposing side may be throwing questions looking for loopholes, etc.

2. In the end, it doesn't matter if either side changed their viewpoints, the exchange resulted in viewers/lurkers learning something, those in the actual debate whether they admit or not may have their standpoint weakened or solidified more.

Science itself doesn't advance without opposition. I'd be curious how many advancements in science may have been accidentally learned due to challenges to prove / back up something.

I think from now on I'll put a disclosure for any question I put on a thread if I intend to debate and find any little loophole in the answers or if I merely am looking for the most up to date belief / knowledge on a subject.

In the case of this specific thread, it was a combination of both. I couldn't find a good answer about chameleons ability to camouflage in relation to evolution and when asking I was also going to look for any loopholes.

EndofMysteries

Cofty's post, " The amount of effort that has been made in recent years to explain evolution in simple terms is massive. " proves what I just said. It seems he did not at all think that debate was also part of this nor all the other posts. It's impossible to debate if both sides agree. In debates, sometimes both sides agree but one side has to switch places to do the debate.

I guess to Cofty, evolution is clear, bright as sunshine fact, as well as the big bang theory, etc, and that if anybody is shown it, they'll just accept it, that there is no need/reason/etc to debate it.

Maybe Simon should make a new category, "debate" so any questions asked there, people like Cofty won't get upset when answers are challenged and not accepted, etc.

cofty

You are appalling bad at "debate".

Its like playing chess with somebody who thinks they should be allowed to move all their pieces as many squares as they want.

Start by making a specific and clearly defined comment or question and then stick to it.

The question in your OP was fully answered on page 1.

EndofMysteries

From Cofty- " You are appalling bad at "debate".

Start by making a specific and clearly defined comment or question and then stick to it.

The question in your OP was fully answered on page 1."

You just claim I am bad at debate, and that my question was fully answered on page 1, implying that there should have been nothing further discussed, further implying that you have no understanding of what the word debate even means. Might I suggest you read a 'basic' book about debate, perhaps starting with the Dictionary.

cofty

Earlier I asked you what books on evolution you had read. You ignored my question. Why?

I wouldn't attempt to debate the bible or theology unles I was very well informed on the topic. I might ask questions and pay attention to the answers but I only debate theology becasue I know a great deal about it. It would be foolish and arrogant to do otherwise.

EndofMysteries

You would not debate a topic that you were not an expert about? That's foolish?

Here is a practical answer for why that is NOT foolish.

JW's claim to know the truth, should a person have to study and learn all there is to know about JW's before they can debate and challenge their beliefs?

Does it take understanding the entire doctrine of the faithful and discreet slave for a non JW to just ask questions and probe and poke holes into the logic of it without them ever becoming indoctrinated?

Infact if anything you should be encouraging such debates. All people have priorities and a limited amount of time. With work, life, the billions of books on anything imaginable to research, thousands of different religions and beliefs, etc. Perhaps with such debates, some people never had any intention of reading books on the subject because they dismissed it or it was low priority, but either lurking or those involved in such debates force them to do more research and maybe grab a book and bump it up the list in their priorities.

LV101

"Evolution Made Simple" - really a book or just youtube videos? I've tried to order most of the recommended "evolution" books but that's one I'm unable to locate. There's one with similar title for parents/children?

EndofMysteries

I haven't read physical books but I've read research, articles, notes, scholarly articles, etc, on evolution online.

In fact, I am preparing to CLEP some college coarses (getting credit by just taking an exam) by online training and preparation, one of which is college algebra. I will pass the test without ever opening a book but it doesn't mean I didn't learn or know anything about it.

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