How men become homosexuals...

by Calebs Airplane 69 Replies latest jw experiences

  • fulltimestudent


    Don't associate too much with young men or else you might end up experimenting with homosexuality!!!

    There is the concept of "institutional homosexuality." The idea is that men who are restricted to the company of men, are likely to turn to anal/oral sex with another male.

    It's supposed to have been a common practise in the earlysettlement in Australia. Most of the people sent here were male (convicts or military), and the big convict prison still in existence in Macquarie street in the city is said to have been the scene of some great orgies ( if you like orgies ?? -grin), with younger convicts dressed up as girls and being 'gang-banged.'

    It is still common in most prison systems in the world.

    Military forces are another place where 'institutional homosexuality'occurs. Winston Churchill scathingly referred to its occurrence in the Royal Navy, When he was in charge of the Navy and was accused of interfering with its traditions, he sneered,

    "What traditions? The traditions of the Royal Navy are the lash, rum and sodomy."

    And, of course, English Public Schools (Like Eton and Harrow etc) are famed for being hot-beds of male 2 male sex.

    And, we know that Catholic seminaries are also supposed to be rife with male 2 male sex.

    So it should come as no surprise to find that Bethel homes have also been places were 'institutional homosexuality' occurred, especially when young men have such a fine example in front of them as David and Jonathon>

    What a wonderful drama it would make:

    Based on 1 Samuel 17 on and on:

    Beautiful young David ( vs 17) turns up to fight ugly Goliath, and, unexpectedly wins., and is taken to meet the King (of course)

    And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him, and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand.

    And Saul said to him, Whose son art thou, thou young man? And David answered, I am the son of thy servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.

    Jonathon is (of course) present and while Saul is talking to David, Jonathon can't stop looking at the kid. (age 15 wasn't he).

    So (wink) we know what's going to happen next ....

    (1)And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.

    And notice, David now moves into the palace, so that he can be with Jonathon

    (2)And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.

    Kinda like a wedding ceremony, isn't it?

    (3) Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

    Next there's some gift giving:

    (4) And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

    Sexy, isn't it? Jonathon strips naked, (underwear wasn't invented yet), takes David's clothes off and dresses David in his (Jonathon's) clothing.


    Who said there were no gay weddings in the Bible?

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze

    This is exactly why I don't watch Glee. Why take the chance?

  • fulltimestudent

    I got lost in that beautiful gay wedding scene and forgot to ask an important question.

    Background first. You all remember that back in Joe R's day, the big A was so close that everyone was encouraged to stay single. Freddy the F had ghost written, the book "Children" (their first venture into capturing the youth market), in that book two dumb kids allow themselves to get talked out of gewtting married in order to "put kingdom interests first." The book had a terrible affect on young people who thought of getting married.

    Took a long time for Nathan the K to get that book out of his head and to get married. Now Nathan the K wasn't bad-looking when he was young - so I was wondering if, some guy hit on the younger Nathan? OK! no answers to that question, just thinking aloud. But Nathan did have a reputation for some alarming attitudes to sex, almost the type of disturbed personality of some who have been faced with unwanted sexual advances.

    BTW, note this post by dogpatch, back in 2005:

    Nathan Knorr in high school:


  • Legacy


    I once read that sometimes homosexuality comes from...parents...let me explain...of course this isn't written in stone but just one theory..

    A couple have a male child, some men want jocks for sons, but not every male is born to be a jock, some have effeminate ways, so the father tends to push the son towards the Mom...& so it manifests...I had a friend whose son had certain ways...not a jock but soft most men say..A Man's Man..well anyway, the father noticed it..& told the mother, I think our son needs to spend more time with him. So not to say, the son, grew up to be ball player but over time while hanging with his father...he picked up more manly can happen that way with a female child..some females are not all that girlie, they may have brothers or by nature a tom boy, but what the article was saying is that it depends on their ways or tendencies. We have to pay attention to our children, not just have them & not take notice of them. We question & wonder but never approach the issue. I once heard that most of humans problems come from us...not paying attention...sticking their heads in the sand. We all have ideas what we feel people should be, if you are a male, you have to be a jock, strong, can fix anything....if you are a female, you should be able to cook, clean the house, if you are not those...many times you get tossed to the side...

    Just a little insight to homosexuality...PS: Being Gay is not an easy life...I have had several friends that are gay, both male & female, again, it's not a happy life. Many do not find a mate who really love them...


  • Calebs Airplane
    Calebs Airplane



    That's even more backwards than the Youth book's explanation...

    People do not "become" gay... it is not something that happens gradually and it is not something people choose to be... You're either born gay or you're not.

  • LostGeneration

    Just a little insight to homosexuality...PS: Being Gay is not an easy life...I have had several friends that are gay, both male & female, again, it's not a happy life. Many do not find a mate who really love them...

    Thanks for the insight. That never happens among heterosexuals....

  • EndofMysteries
  • stillin

    Yup, that sign language video pushed me over the edge. I need a Good woman!

  • krejames

    Legacy's not too far off from what some experts believe, to be fair, but I think maybe something's got a little lost in translation. Alan Downs argues in his book The Velvet Rage that it's the father son relationship issue, which Legacy describes, that results in many gay men only managing very short relationships and a more promiscuous lifestyle than heterosexuals. But just to clarify they don't suggest it's the parental relationship that causes their children to be gay.

  • Jeffro


    Jonathon strips naked, (underwear wasn't invented yet)

    loincloths go back for thousands of years, and linen undergarments go back about 1500 years.

    Even still, the supposed 'covenant' between David and Jonathan seems to be fairly 'intimate' (though it isn't mentioned at all in the Septuagint).

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