by Julia Orwell 71 Replies latest jw friends
Just something that comes to mind about the residual effects of so much WT/JW programming/indoctrination etc.
Since leaving the silly cult I have regularly donated blood, but when the reminder letter comes, the Logo and big red word Blood still stir something in me in a small way.
I guess even that will go in the end, I hope so, but it is similar to the response you feel to Gay people Julia, just something the WT has implanted that we really must expunge, if we can.
Julia, you have a personal message from yours truly. ~ Rufus
Julia , I find this to be an interesting topic because of my experiences as a witness.Before I was a witness age 20 , I was intolerant of "gays" I had no time for them , not that I personally knew any. A couple of years after learning the "truth" (I hate that phrase ) we discovered that my brother in law was homosexual . Neither my wife or I treated him any differently than any other member of the family , all non witnesses of course .And because we lived in a different state we only saw any of them, for the most part when we visited ,which we did on a yearly basis .He was never a jw so we saw no reason to shun him , if that was even done back then . I didnt agree with gays , I didnt support gays ,and I didnt condemn gays,even with a couple of incidents of DF because they were gay , though I never had contact with them anyway after the announcement. Now what I think is a stange thing.
Oh I forget we do have a nephew who was a witness once who is gay and we do not treat him any differently from any other family member either.
Donkeys years ago my wife and I were at a drive in theatre watching a movie I cant remember what it was ,and an erotic scene came on and I was aroused , it turned out to be a female impersonator/transvestite whatever ,and I was literally sick to my stomach thinking it was a woman.
The weird thing is if their is a movie with two women getting it off/ on it does not sicken me , but can be a turn on. I find that weird .
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The weird thing is if their is a movie with two women getting it off/ on it does not sicken me , but can be a turn on. I find that weird .
In surveys, 100% of straight men when asked if they got turned on by lesbian sex said yes.
It aint that wierd.
I made the statistic up of course, but I reckon if you substitute the word "porn" for "sex" then asked guys if they got turned on then your answer would be like the masturbation one - a minority would admit it, the rest would be lying.
In the same survey, 100% (ok I'm exaggertaing a little) of straight women also get turned on by girl on girl. It's called normal.
Eeew i don't. I don't even like to see hetero kissing. It's a private matter imo.
Julia,
I'm in my 30's. Raised in the U.S. In a diverse, middle income family by loving JW parents that wanted children.
While we were raised without any racism, I distinctly remember when the TV show "Will and Grace" came on. It was so funny, but my dad would make snide comments about how disgusting it was (gay men in lead role). It was easier to just not watch the show if he was around. Through the years I was never disgusted or disturbed by gay/lesbian etc. people. I chose not to dwell on the actual acts they would engage in together, as that part didn't sound pleasant or enjoyable. I think I decided a few years back, not to be offended or stumbled by other people choices. (I wasn't a typical JW). The US presidential election seemed to revolve around gay and abortion rights. While I was still an active JW, I simply couldn't understand why so many people were in such an uproar abouat two issues, that at the end of the day, don't affect their personal lives. It was so frustrating to be around judgemental, close-minded Christians, at that time (JW's and workmates).
Maybe if you watch a little comedy TV or movies featuring homosexuals, it will help you get back to the person you were before, as you see you can relate to them on some level.
I'm pretty sure my dad still thinks "Will and Grace" started the downfall of my generation. Lol.
It sounds like you are not phobic (irrational fear), you just have some lingering prejudices as a result of being a part of a brainwashing hate group.
I was the same way about the medical myths about blood. Challenge your assumptions, expose yourself to truth even when it hurts, and fake it 'til you make it.
LOL, this is an interesting thread. It is natural to be judgmental about a lot of things, I guess it is part of how we make decisions, but in the big picture, nothing really matters. We are all here on Earth for a short time ,and then we are gone; and Joe Hoover isn't coming back to life to slay anyone, so there is no point worrying about what others do in the privacy of their bedrooms... unless that turns you on, of course...
Hmmmmm. Interesting thread. i didn't realize there was a fairly large group of gay ex-JW's here. I would say i am probably in Julias boat. i like to belive my thinking is evolved, but gayness is still "icky" to me. So while I don't treat anyone different that anyone else, while I don't believe rights etc... should be handed out in different measure to gay people.......I also hope my son is straight.
Not because of prejudice, or anything like that. I just don't want him to be gay. To me its still kind of weird. If he was, I'm smart enought to know that I would need to encourage him and be his father in the same loving manner I would anyways. But it would be.....disappointing to me.
I guess there is where I have some work to do.
