Joe Hoover isn't coming back to life to slay anyone,
Not sure, which Joe Hoover, your talking about. Was it this one? Of course, he wasnt a Joe, but he was a John, literally! This is him in 1936. Don't you agree he's got 'gay' written all over him
As head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, thought his job involved keeping a dirt file on everyone. The only secret is, Did he masturbate as he read his 'secret files.' Particularly the ones involving guy+ guy action.
This extract by his biographer, is from the English Guardian (The English, of course, never anything underhanded like Hoover)
The secret life of J Edgar Hoover
For half a century, the FBI director waged war on homosexuals, black people and communists. Now, a controversial film by Clint Eastwood is set to reveal some of the explosive truth about him. Here, his biographer Anthony Summers tells all
When he died. Nixon is supposed to have remarked: "Jesus Christ! That old c*cksucker!" But Nixon (of all people) knew how dangerous his dirt files could have been. (Hey, the mind boggles! Imagine Nixon and his secret service contingent conducting a raid on J.Edgar's office to get their hands on Hoover's dirt files).
But there's no need for imagination, just imagine the truth. During the terriible era when the McCarthy witchhunts were underway (and, I'm speaking of the propensity of McCarthy and his sidekick Roy Cohn to target gay men in public office) the biggest possible target, Hoover himself held the best cards. He would have had the evidence to demonstrate that Roy Cohn himself, was gay!
Here's an extract from the English Guardian newspaper.
Hoover himself, meanwhile, had a personal secret that – in his era – could have destroyed him if revealed. Clint Eastwood referred to it this year before the launch of his movie, when he assured the J Edgar Hoover Foundation that J Edgar would not "portray an open homosexual relationship" between Hoover and his long-time male companion, Clyde Tolson.
Eastwood stretched the truth. Though there is just one passionate kiss between Leonardo DiCaprio and Armie Hammer, the two actors portraying them in the movie, the relationship with Tolson is a central theme. In real life, all Washington knew was that the pair dined daily together, vacationed together, did everything but move in together, and the whispers flew. When a magazine article in the 1930s referred to Hoover's "mincing" gait, and a diplomat commented on his "conspicuous perfume", Hoover struck back. He gathered derogatory information on the offending journalist, and asserted – falsely – that he did not use perfume. Real information on the Hoover-Tolson relationship surfaced only long after both men were dead, during research for my book.
A surprising find was the account by Luisa Stuart, once a celebrated model, tracked down because she featured in a droll photograph taken with Hoover and Tolson one New Year's Eve in the late 1930s at the Stork Club – the place to be seen in New York at the time. In the photo, Hoover is shown holding his hands up as Stuart, armed with a toy shotgun, "threatens" him. Later that night, in the dark of a limousine when they left the club, she remembered: "I noticed they were holding hands all the way, just sitting there talking and holding hands with each other… I was so young and those were different times. But I'd never seen two men holding hands."
Joseph Shimon, a former Washington police inspector, recalled a taxi driver reporting the pair had been "kissing and ass-grabbing" during a cab journey. Harry Hay, founder of America's first gay rights group, remembered that on vacation in California, in "a circle in which they didn't have people who weren't gay… They were nodded together as lovers."
The Eastwood movie includes a bizarre scene that depicts Hoover, after his mother's death, donning one of her dresses. It is a nod towards allegations I first reported, that he on occasion cross-dressed. I had information from three sources, two men who said an "easily recognisable" photograph of Hoover in an evening gown circulated in the gay community in 1948, and an account by a millionaire's former wife of secret sex parties that she claimed to have witnessed in the late 50s. Hoover, the woman said, had been "dressed like an old flapper, like you see on old tintypes".
Bill Clinton, who as president in 1993 was mulling over who to appoint as FBI Director, thought the cross-dressing reports were hilarious. "It's going to be hard," he grinned during a speech at a press function, "to fill J Edgar Hoover's… pumps." That I published such allegations at all, however, to this day draws roars of fury from old Hoover loyalists.
Other accounts of the Director's alleged sexual activity, if true, would certainly have destroyed him had they become public. A former Bureau inspector and trusted associate named Jimmy Corcoran said years later that Hoover, youthful at the time, had once asked him to deal with a serious "problem". He had been arrested on sex charges involving a young man during a trip to New Orleans. Corcoran, who had powerful contacts in the state, said he intervened to hush the matter up.
There is, too, a claim that as late as 1969, when Hoover was in his early 70s, he dallied with teenage boys during his habitual summer break in California. An element of corroboration came from Don Smith, an officer on the Los Angeles police vice squad, who told me of interviews he conducted with youngsters during a paedophile investigation. "The kids," Smith said, "brought up several famous names, including those of Hoover and his sidekick".
I quote all this 'sh*t' to demonstrate that men who are attracted to men are ubiquitous in public life, there are far more of them than anyone realises- which simply means that Kinsey's report (suggesting as high as 20%, but usually quoted as 10%) likely underestimated the extent of men who like to have sex with men (the common idea is, that men know what men like)
Go back to Plato's 'Symposium' - he pictures the leading citizens of Athens, who've left their wives at home (that was woman's place- and quite likely they were having it off with the yong household slaves) and were out at a drinking party, lying on couches (as was the common custom in the Mediterranean), with their boyfriends, talking about real love.
Here in Australia, in regard to former Prime Ministers, here are four men men who are whispered about, who likely had sex with another man at some point in their lives.
Harold Holt (according to his widow- who saw him as bi-sexual)
William McMahon - rather an open secret
Bob Hawke - back in his heavy drinking days, he is rumoured to have had a very heavy 'crush'
on a beautiful young man (young - i.e. in his 20s) - this according to a guy close to the top of the ALP party structure.
This one is censored. A really famous name in Aussie politics. I've heard it from two sources.
From, members of the influential eastern suburbs ( a wealthy part of sydney) gay clique.
From a member of his household staff.