The murmuring phase is the beginning of an ex-JWs progression towards fading.

by Stand for Pure Worship 77 Replies latest jw friends

  • suavojr

    SFPW SAID "modified truths."

    That says it all, you modify because the organization needs to survive because of false expectations.

  • suavojr
    Once you learn to read, you will be forever free.

    Quote from Frederick Douglass in reference to slaves.

    Keep reading SFPW!

  • KateWild

    SFPW-Are you for real? The murmuring phase is what you may call it. We call it the deprogramming from a destructive cult phase. None the less it is a phase call it what you wish

    OUTLAW- called it lighting a fire up your bum phase. Great pic- Kate xx

  • carla

    You keep mentioning 'Christian congregation', you don't mean jw's do you? I (never a jw) and most people I know who are Christians do not think of jw's as Christian. Did you know that? If you aren't allowed to have Jesus as your own personal mediator or even talk to Him, most people won't think of you as 'Christian' no matter how many times you refer to yourself as one.


    SFPW people like you fascinate me. You would be vilified for even viewing this board let alone actually signing up and posting on it. Yet you come here and post how great "pure worship" is. Why do you do it? Bored? Looking for answers? Just curious

  • Hoffnung

    the reasons why people leave the organization is usually a combination of things. it is very shallow to always put the blame on those who leave and never question yourselves. Ultimately it will lead to the moral implosion of the organization. Although I did not understand back then the volume of lies I was thought by the organization, the moment when I realized that my doubts were well founded, i questioned myself and my motives, and gave ample time for the organization to convince me i was wrong, which you could label murmuring phase. However it did the exact opposite, it proclaimed theories like "overlapping generations", etc, which demonstrated in what kind of darkness they are. Never ever did I discredit the hard work of the elders, or higher official, i just realized they were applying the wrong instructions. I pondered a long time if it would be the right thing to leave, and looking now back on it, yes it is. Since there is no possibility to honestly explain to the friends the valid reasons why the organization is not having the truth, showing it by leaving an empty seat in the hall is the best one can do. I can now see, whereas inside the organization I was blind. Since those inside do not know what it means to be able to see, the only standard reaction is to call the ones who are learning to see "murmurers", instead of asking yourselves what there is to see.

  • Oubliette

    Was Jesus "murmuring" when he called the Pharisees on their religious hypocrisy?

    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. - Matthew 23:13

    If so, then I'm a murmurer too, and proud of it! Today it is the WT leaders that are the Pharisees.

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” ― Voltaire

  • LisaRose

    I was never a murmurer, just not my style.I always thought there was something wrong with me, that I hated the meetings, door to door work, all the endless hours in study, etc. It was only after I left that I found out how much I had been lied to.

  • Watkins

    "use syrup" - how can anyone take you seriously after that one. USURP = 'to seize by force without right' = what the wt has tried to do with our relationship with our true Mediator, Christ.

    "modified truth" - are you kidding? If something is true through and through, no 'modifications' are needed! Truth does NOT change.

    The wtbts teaches LIES. When we realize that it's a revelation, an epiphany.

    There would be no trash talk about the wt IF it didn't teach LIES. But it does, and we're here to talk about that. What's the reason YOU're here? The organisation you think is so great has said in no uncertain terms that 'faithful Witnesses' should NOT be on so-called 'apostate forums', and yet - here you are. It's plain that you don't think very highly of the wt either - or you'd be 'obeying the faithful and discreet slave'. Yep, it's an outright rebellion on your part. Shame on you for trying to pass yourself off as a 'super-good Witness' when the whole time you're ignoring the gb's 'counsel' and going completely against their flat-out command.

    You're the 'murmurer', sftw. Ex-jws are not under the imposed authority of the wt - but YOU ARE. You must already be well along in your own 'fade', or you wouldn't be disrespecting their rules - YOUR rules, not ours. Most fades start with disregard for wt rules - so, GOOD on you! Hope you don't have long to go in that 'two-faced phase' - acting like a good JW when you're around JWs, and treating wt commands with contempt when you're not. That's right - the gb have no hold on you! You're just an apostate in disguise right now, but hopefully, not for long. :)


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