Indian Larry said: Explain to me why the FDS does not agree with when the 70 years ended. Jehovah was clear that it had to be COMPLETE BEFORE he called into account Nebuchadezzar. How can the slave say it ended two years after Nebuchadnezzar died if the dead are conscience of "nothing at all"?
Jeremiah 27:6, 7 "And now I myself have given all these lands into the hand of Neb·u·chad·nez′zar the king of Babylon, my servant; and even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 And all the nations must serve even him and his son and his grandson until the time even of his own land comes, and many nations and great kings must exploit him as a servant.’
Daniel refers to Nabonidus as the son of Nebuchadnezzar. Nabonidus, it seems, married the daughter of Nebuchadnezzar. That would make Belshazzar the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar. Neither the Hebrew nor the Aramaic language has words for “grandfather” or “grandson”; “son of” can mean “grandson of” or even “descendant of.” So the 70 years ended right on time since the nations were still serving Neb's "son" or "grandson" (either phrase would work).
Who do you believe is the faithful and discrete slave? I assume from your line of reasoning you believe what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, is that correct? Yes.
King Solomon and sebastious seem to be the type that like to argue over 'words' and grammar and fallacies instead of the subject at hand.
That's been answered repeatedly, but for some reason you don't feel compelled to accept our interpretation, just as we don't feel to accept yours? Since you've simply assembled a series of nebulous inferred claims based on your desire to convert a parable into a prophecy, you haven't presented sufficient evidence to convince anyone, so we don't accept it... If you HAVE further evidence, lay it on us: we're all ears. No it hasn't. If it's been answered repeatedly then please present it. The only response I got repeatedly was that 'the faithful slave represents all faithful Christians'. When I showed this to be impossible there were no other answers given. If there is one, by all means provide it. I've shown my evidence in my post "The Faithful Slave- Letting the Bible Interpret Itself". Why don't you offer a rebuttal to it, if you can. I will not even address the rest of your post since it was a mere argument about who the burden of proof rests on, when it really doesn't matter as I've presented my case and no one has successfully challenged it scripturally.
To sebastious: I really do not care to argue tit-for-tat about every little sentence I post about the scripture. This thread was not made for the purpose of arguing in circles about Matthew being God's word...maybe it's not...your painting a bad picture of apostates...etc. That is so tedious and pointless. Debate about the scripture/what I've presented or I won't be engaging in any further discussion with you as it's obvious you and your apostabuddies dont have a real case against JW's.
DATA-DOG: You again asked a bunch of circular, irrelevant, misleading questions that do not debate the subject at hand. The Bible tells us God's purpose in connection with Christ Jesus is made known through the congregation. I'm sorry if you have a problem with how God has things in place for spiritual instruction, but that is not my problem nor is it something you can hold against JW's, when the Bible tells us this. Debate about the scripture/what I've presented or I won't be engaging in any further discussion with you as it's obvious you and your apostabuddies don't have a real case against JW's.
Moshe: Debate about the scripture/what I've presented (using actual scriptures and not cut and paste from apostate websites) or I won't be engaging in any further discussion with you as it's obvious you and your apostabuddies don't have a real case against JW's.
Jeffro: Debate about the scripture/what I've presented (using actual scriptures and not arguing over words and asserting your own opinions) or I won't be engaging in any further discussion with you as it's obvious you and your apostabuddies don't have a real case against JW's.
Saeurkraut: Yes, my posts are quite lengthy given that I have to respond to 15/20 people everytime I log on and my posts are restricted to 10 a day. Paul says in Ephesians 4:4 that all who are called have one hope. Well, yes the anointed have one hope. That of going to heaven and ruling with Christ. Revelation 5:10 "and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” There cannot be a government of heavenly kings without earthly subjects. So yes, there are two hopes and the rest of what you posted does not disprove what the Bible clearly says. Notice 2 Peter 3:13 "But there are new heavens and a new earththat we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell." So yes there is a hope of living on a new earth, as Revelation 21 clearly shows us. "1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth". The parable about the FDS is an encouragement to all Brothers of Christ to care for one another. It's aimed at every Christian individually. As I've already showed it is impossible for every individual Christian from the first century until now to be appointed over all Christ's belongings. The Society perceives itself as a Prophet quite clearly, whether you want to accept that or not. Yes, a prophet, a watchman, in the sense that they proclaim God's warnings. Not that their writings are divinely inspired as the list of quotes I provided repeatedly show. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones." Of course it doesn't. Imagine if they tried to write down the name of every one who ate the bread at the memorial. It takes more than doing that to prove you are of the anointed. "By their fruits you will recognize those men". It's plainly obvious who the anointed are, so they do not need to keep tabs on every individual who claims to be of the anointed (as the reasons stated in the article show this to be quite reasonable). Besides that, if anointed are to dispense food at the proper time, why are mostly non-anointed responsible for writing publications? I'm sorry, have you spoken with the entire writing committee and asked them what hope they have? Didn't think so.
Just mere rhetoric and again not a single scripture used to refute the FDS doctrine. Many have tried, few used scriptures, but all failed.
