You didn't mention my comment about why God waited all that time to send a redeemer to mankind? And if God sent us important truths earlier in mans history, why did he not protect them and allow later peoples to discover them and use them? We have cave drawings
from thousands of years ago, but God couldn't save ancient texts he inspired? There is no way of knowing, but there is also no reason for me to believe it.
He knows the reason for the timing, not I.
As well, truths are spiritually discerned; within us. Writing it down is more of a two dimensional view of something fuller. A command, rather than a truth. Love, the golden rule, etc... these mean something when written within us (on the heart, seared into the conscience, etc). That has been communicated and preserved. Other than by those who reject it.
Go to any corner of the globe and you'll have a moral obligation not to murder or steal, and to do good to others.
Exactly. Good communication, imo.
All cultures have similar rules to follow, but their spiritual beliefs are usually quite different. One may ask you to pray 5 times a day, facing a certain direction. Another will tell you to perform a sacred dance for the crops to grow (as NC said earlier). Why is there variation in one but not in the other, if the two are tied, and are supposedly from the same source? If there is only one moral truth, then shouldn't there be only one spiritual truth as well? Unless God has said ''worship me however you want''. But what's your evidence of this?
And how do you know that the worship God wants is not that we love one another, care for one another, show compassion, mercy, forgiveness, love, serving one another? Most of the rest (the rituals, etc) is just religion. Man trying to control the people through God.
People from all over recognize the spirit... of love and peace and faith and mercy and forgiveness... within Christ, even if their culture and religion prevent them from acknowledging Him as the Truth, and Life. Can't really blame anyone for not seeing those qualities in the religion of christianity.
It's still a supernatural concept which came from purely human imagination. Just like those different ideas of heaven. They can't all be right, can they? If all religions stem from a single source, then the further back in time one goes, there should be a visible trail that leads back to the original, ultimately correct view. So what about the Egyptian view of the afterlife? It came well before the Christian adaptation of heaven, but it's still completely wrong. Unless God wants to keep us in the dark about the real afterlife and so has made a motley crew of ideas to confuse us, there's no reason for all these different views. Completely nonsensical.
Once the spiritual is conceived of, then man can put all sorts of details into it that he thinks are right. It is the original conception of anything spiritual at all that I speak of. Not different versions of heaven, or gods, or whatever. The sense of the spiritual is within us, so we can conceive of it.
I do not think anyone knows what this spiritual afterlife entails. Analogies give us a sense, but we probably have to experience it to know.
Just apply Occam's Razor to your thinking, that's all I'm asking. Does one perform less mental gymnastics contemplating an eternal universe, or an eternal omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent creator? Yes space and time began at the Big Bang, our universe had a
beginning and will end at some point (by eternal I was referring to the possibility of universe cycles; Big Bang/Big Crunch/Big Bang etc). It's quite possible there will only ever be one universe and this is it. God is still MIA though. And just because on earth, causality works
in such a way, does not mean the same laws apply to the universe. But, in my opinion there isn't enough known to state anything of the above with certainty, and i'm not an astrophysicist so I can't have a real discussion with you about it.
This is exactly what I did do. What I mentioned in my first post. The living comes from the living - simplest explanation. That spark, that animation... coming from something inanimate, unaware, one-dimensional so to speak... seems far more complex.
tammy (off to work)