Are these not enough to construct a god from our imagination? Are these nothing?
Those qualities of emotions are enough to put emotion onto a god. But not to create the god or spirit or spiritual in the first place.
But where does this information come from? Where was your starting point? How did you know to start there?... nc referring to the comment of god having no beginning, no ending
Something has always been. A beginning requires a cause... to start it; hence: beginning.
Eternal is no beginning... no ending.
Sentient beings who create things are real. The universe is real. Combining them, by imagining a sentient being who created the universe, is building upon two things you have seen and known. Why is the imagining of a sentient being who created the universe not the same thing as imagining a man who can fly?
Perhaps, yes. But then wouldn't that sentient being be a natural being... as in a physical construct? Rather than something of the spirit?
Are these supernatural? Were they considered so? Add all the human emotions to natural events....lightning, thunder, drought, tornados, earthquakes, volcanic erruptions...etc etc......stir them up and wallah....GOD!
Why is God (or the spiritual) the explanation? Why not something else? Why that connection and leap?
I find it very curious, is all. On its own, perhaps not as much, but it is not evidence that is on its own. (okay yes, for me, unless someone can demonstrate this kind of leap that I see, then I find it hard to conceive that people could have made this connection to a spirit... over something else... unless we understand spirit because we are spirit within, and so naturally seek it)
I understand how some of you do not see and/or accept this.
1)creation 2)conscience 3) communication
If you take away the intangible perception factor two of the three can be invalidated by all other humans but oneself
I think I understand this enough to agree with it, lol.
You have helped a great deal on this forum Tammy. So much so that you'll never know the full extent. If there is one thing I have learned while posting on this forum it's that people have to work out their own world views (which is another term for salvation) whether that be by faith or reason it should be worked out. People like you can help with that process, but as you know you can't work it out for them.
Thank you Sab. Your words mean a lot to me. I also agree with the sentiment you expressed. People do have to work things out on their own.
^ The with "fear and trembling" part is very interesting to me. It depicts a process from the heart. So if a world view is stated as to be worked out with one's heart then it should be considered legitimate. If someone says "I require scientific evidence for God in order to believe in him" and it comes from their heart, then how can we judge?
Tec, do you believe atheism is wrong under any circumstance? Why or why not?
I don't think it is right or wrong. I think it just... is.
If atheism is not denial of God (as most atheists here are stating), but rather a statement that they do not see enough evidence to believe in God... then it is just how they feel. Neither right nor wrong. It just... is.
No judgment involved.
Jgnat - I celebrate your peace in and of faith as well. I hope I did not put off an air of contention. This was not my intention, if so.
That said.... You say you hear his voice, he talks to us all.... Without the frame of referance created by the bible, how would someone ever come to the conclusion that one man died for all, that god sent his son to earth, that he resqued the hebrews from egypt to protect the blood line that son would be born through etc etc etc...? Is the voice that clear, that specific, to provide that level of detail?
I think the fruits of the spirit.. peace, mercy, love, patience, etc... matter more then the level of detail; which we can only barely grasp as it is. Even then, men who misunderstand pass their misunderstanding on, and people believe them.
If god speaks to all, why dont all hear the same thing?
I cannot answer that with certainty. But I do know that not all truly hear who claim or pretend to hear. We also have a tendancy to incorporate things into our own views and/or biases. Takes time to learn to disregard the teachings that are false, and some do not fully break free.
I hope you understand tec, im not being flippant only questioning and being, as much as i can, logical. I have always respected you and of course continue to do so :-)
It would never have occurred to me that you were being flippant. I respect you as well, and continue to do so.
A Christian preaching? Do lobbyist lobby?
I think I have missed a page and some posts, but am getting too sleepy now. Plus my house is quiet and lulling me to sleep, lol.
See ya'll tomorrow.