Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)

by Me Myself and I 89 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety
    The US stayed OUT of the war (due to economic reasons,, ie, MONEY), until the PH incident.

    Not true. The U.S. was busy supplying the Allies via "Cash and Carry" and the Lend Lease Act--and thousands of U.S. citizens volunteered to fight in Europe before a formal U.S. declaration of war was made. The British and the Soviets were using American weapons long before Pearl Harbor. Furthermore, a large part of U.S. public opinion was against formally participating as a full fledged belligerent until Pearl Harbor, and it had little to do with economics. We've been full fledged interventionists ever since, and much good it is doing us these days.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Think,,, I agree,, still, it doesn't make it 'right'. That's my point.

    Why are WE always right?

    hmmm

    tal

  • talesin
    talesin

    BTS,, you really believe that bull? Okay, then.

    t

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety

    Operation Downfall would have resulted in millions more Japanese deaths (as well as American ones) than the nuclear bombs did.

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety
    BTS,, you really believe that bull? Okay, then.

    If it is bull, show why it is bull. Everything I've said is historical. Americans did NOT want to be involved in another bloody European war with thousands of Americans dead over European stupidity. WWI was enough. It took Pearl Harbor (along with Germany's declaration of war on the U.S.) to change public opinion.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Yes, explain it away any way you want,,, but the Japanese were NUKED

    NUKED

    NUKED

    that's all I "need" to remember.

    t

  • talesin
    talesin

    BTS,,, research proves the american CORPORATE support of the Third Reich

    ,,, and can you honestly say (and sleep at night)??? that it was okay for Amerca to sit by while the extermination of the Jews was taking place?

    ugggh,, this attitude sickens me.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I've read in academic histories many times that FDR or at the very least someone high up in the WH had advance notice of Pearl Harbor. Allowing Japan to attack without any defensive action may well have been a ploy to go to war in Europe and Asian. Congress would not approve a war nor fund it. Pearl Harbor changed that on a dime. Actual records exist that the info was picked up by the Pentagon in Arlington and forwarded to the WH for action. No one knows definitely whether FDR saw it. Someone did not act when acting in haste was so obvious. American intelligence was forewarned that an attack was imminent. It was not much of a surprise. So even if the cable traffic did not exist, what justification was there, knowing the current events that were readily public in newspaper articles, in not defending Pearl Harbor. I don't know how any official could walk past the ocean grave of the Arizona.

    More lives were at stake in the long run. I don't believe in conspiracies but I believe this one. Also, radar went off quite a while before the Japanese struck. It was a new technology that no one trusted. It was the first time most people were exposed to radar so people thought there was a glitch in the system.

    For decades, I would freak reading about Hiroshoma and Nagasaki. It was beyond me how any Americans could sanction such slaughter. Since WWII studies have become popular in recent years, I've read much more. The Germans were ahead of us in developing the A-bomb. Einstein and other peaceniks wrote to reluctant physicists and engineers to cooperate. They opposed the bomb as an idea but Hitler having a A-bomb let them put their consciences to one side. The Germans just happened to pursue a slightly deviated path to the bomb or we would have been bombed. The Japanese military did not want to surrender even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The emperor made the decision. Japanese were willing to die for Japan. The slaughter of Allied troops fighting on Japanese homeland would have enormous. I did not know of the firebombings of Dresden and other German cities. Far more civilians died in the firebombs rained down on Germany than those who died in the American attack. The damage was much greater, except radiation was not present. I wish we did a trial with independent observers in the South Pacific. Reading commentaries, though, it would have not changed the result. The moral purity would be more obvious if we did a trial.

    I also assume Japan knew we had a bomb. Maybe not the full extent of its development but a ball park idea of what Germany and the US were doing.

  • talesin
    talesin

    and you wonder why some people don't understand the American viewpoint?

    Try researching the FACTS for a change, and you will see, that PATRIOTISM is just as much a religion as the JW. You are truly, led by the nose, like a bull.

    t

  • talesin
    talesin

    BOTR,, thank you for your accounting of the FACTS.

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