drewcoul --- miz has been back and posting all week ....
Is it possible for an apostate to get reindoctrinated?
by foolsparadise 106 Replies latest jw friends
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N.drew
No Jesus? Um, which other historic figures have you killed off, Mr GBmember?
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cantleave
Teary - A Watch Tower definition of a word is usually a complete fallacy. Like all cults, they create a special language. Unfortunately most of the do not have the education to do this properly.
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Teary Oberon
"from the Oxford Online Dictionary: noun a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle NOT your definition:
An apostate is one who leaves a group and then takes an active and aggressive stand against his former affiliation.
Please base your argument on factual data, rather than shady statements like "there has been evidence that", and statistics that have no quoted source such as "Apostates normally make up between 15%-20% of leave takers from NRM's, even with regards what some consider to be 'high-control' groups."
It is not Teary's fault if you cannot research a subject farther than a single word google search. The numbers and statements that Teary quoted are all quite true, and can be easily verified when one does bother to look more than surface deep.
"In a technical sense, as used sometimes by sociologists without the pejorative connotations of the word, the term refers to renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to one's former religion." -- Yahya, Hasan. "A New Definition of Apostasy and Heretics: Sociological Analysis"
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bats in the belfry
WTS answer: "Go to hell, all you wicked apostates"
Apostates of the apostles’ day and their modern counterparts are not represented by the “weeds.” Yet the Bible shows that such apostates are “not of our sort,” have God’s disapproval and should be shunned by loyal Christians. Any who apostatize and do not repent by the end of this system of things will experience the same fate as the “weeds,” being “burned with fire” or destroyed completely.—Titus 3:10; 1 John 2:18, 19; 2 John 9-11.w84 3/1 p.31
Since we have been warned that “some will fall away from the faith,” we should be ready “to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones.” (1 Tim. 4:1; Jude 3) But a distinction needs to be made between trouble-making apostates, as mentioned in 2 Peter, chapter 2, and Christians who become weak in faith and have doubts through lack of accurate knowledge. Jude makes this distinction. After warning against “murmurers, complainers,” who “are admiring personalities,” and against “ridiculers,” who “are the ones that make separations,” he says: “Keep yourselves in God’s love, while you are waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view. Also, continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.”—Jude 16-23.w80 8/1 p.21 par.19
In chapter two Peter champions God’s truth and righteous principles by speaking out strongly against apostates. These with counterfeit words seek to exploit their fellow Christians. Rightly they will suffer the same kind of fate that befell the wicked antediluvian world and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. But people of godly devotion will be preserved just as Noah and his family were. Those false teachers follow the mercenary path of Balaam. By their fleshly desires and loose habits they offer others greater freedom while actually they themselves are slaves of corruption. Having once known the truth and turned away from it, they are in a worse condition than they would have been had they never known the path of righteousness.—2 Pet. 2:1-22.w76 10/15 p.639
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talesin
It is not Teary's fault if you cannot research a subject farther than a single word google search. The numbers and statements that Teary quoted are all quite true, and can be easily verified when one does bother to look more than surface deep.
hahaha,,, you don't know who you're dealing with.
1. On this forum, statements are expected to be backed up by the person making them,,, not researched by the reader.
2. You are violating Posting Guideline #1.
3. I was doing research online since the 80s,,, how about you?
Don't try to deflect the issue.
You offer no verifiable proof of your claims, and your very own explanation of the word 'apostate' as fact.
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sir82
Oh dear.
Teary, what was that expression that a recent Watchtower article used about those who "debate about words"?
Can't quite recall...seems like it had the letters "M" and "D" though....
Moontally disoused or something like that.
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Mad Sweeney
Feed a troll once, shame on him. Feed a troll twice, shame on you.
Define apostate however you like. If it means someone that leaves a religion - the most common use of the term - then yes, apostates can return to the Borg and get reindoctrinated. If it means someone that leaves the Watchtower cult, reads Crisis of Conscience and Combating Cult Mind Control and understands their implications, and then actively opposes the Borg, then the chances of returning to the cult become statistically high to the point that it can be treated as practically impossible.
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flipper
I tend to believe that anybody can get reindoctrinated - apostate or otherwise- if they put themselves in a position to be at WT society mind control indoctrination meetings which drone on endlessly in a monotone manner which has a hypnotic effect on listeners. One of the reasons, among many, that I stopped attending 8 years ago . After reading Steve Hassan's books on cult mind control - yes, I feel if someone's not careful they can be influenced by what they are constantly listening to or reading going into their brain and lodging there.
That's why what LEAVING WT said is SO important to " deconstruct JW beliefs " and thought processes and I might add to refill the brain with useful , authentic " real world " information which helps a person LOSE the JW mind control and regain control of their authentic, born with brain synapses by pulsating into those nerve endings useful information which will eventually eliminate the WT and JW thoughts processing in one's brain. It's certainly helped me for sure- but it took time to lose the JW jargon. But it's worth it to have a free mind again to think clearly. No way would I EVER go back to meetings and reindoctrinate my brain. It would be like squeezing lemon juice on a cut
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discreetslave
If one doesn't learn to see the organization for what it really is then they can return. Years of mind control doesn't disappear overnight. One has to deprogram from the group think & fear. They also have to realize the bad in the world is NOT proof that the WBT$ is right it's just life.