Is it possible for an apostate to get reindoctrinated?

by foolsparadise 106 Replies latest jw friends

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    "Is it possible for an apostate to get reindoctrinated?"
    Not really, because "apostates" technically never get "unindoctrinated" -- they just switch from one form of indoctrination to another.

    Teary never answered my obvious question about the above: If apostates just switch "one form of indoctrination to another", does this mean that JWs (including Teary) are indoctrinated? To answer the thread title - does it stand to reason that a child, once they learn the truth about Santa Claus, is likely to go back to believing that Santa Claus really does fly around the world and give people presents? I say no - not unless they are truly mentally diseased. Intellectual growth through learning means putting unreasonable things aside and replacing them with reasonable things. It is practically impossible to reverse that progression if it has really taken place in a person's mind.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Most former members do not become apostates.....Teary

    Teary still can`t find the Dictionary..

    Teary behaves like MADJW..

    Teary hasn`t lost all his Marbles..Theres still one rolling around..

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • talesin
    talesin

    And as I expected, Teary, once again, has NO valid argument.

    No counterpoint, with an ad hominem attack.

    Yes, Sizemik, I guess we all know Teary is in over his head.

    Just another motor mouth that I choose to no longer engage with. Later, Teary!

    t

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Teary doesn't need the dictionary - Teary has made up its own.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Teary doesn't need the dictionary - Teary has made up its own.....James_woods

    Evidently Teary must be very happified with his overlapping incoherent babbling..

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • sir82
    sir82
    Teary doesn't need the dictionary - Teary has made up its own.

    Hmmm. I know a rather large publishing corporation which does the same.

    "Generation"...."lying"....."blood fractions" (which of course are utterly and completely unrelated to blood components)...

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    "Generation"...."lying"....."blood fractions" (which of course are utterly and completely unrelated to blood components)...

    "Prophet" - which only means predictor of the future when you are not proven totally wrong...

    If you are proven completely wrong, you were never a prophet in the first place...

  • Teary Oberon
    Teary Oberon

    The intellectual and academic level of this forum is just a constant dissappointment to Teary. He has repeatedly and consistenty stated that he is using the SOCIOLOGICAL defintion of apostasy, not the RELIGIOUS definition.

    The American sociologist Lewis A. Coser (following the German philosopher and sociologist Max Scheler [citation needed] ) defines an apostate to be not just a person who experienced a dramatic change in conviction but “a man who, even in his new state of belief, is spiritually living not primarily in the content of that faith, in the pursuit of goals appropriate to it, but only in the struggle against the old faith and for the sake of its negation." [ 3 ] [ 4 ]

    The American sociologist David G. Bromley defined the apostate role as follows and distinguished it from the defector and whistleblower roles. [ 4 ]

    • Apostate role: defined as one that occurs in a highly polarized situation in which an organization member undertakes a total change of loyalties by allying with one or more elements of an oppositional coalition without the consent or control of the organization. The narrative is one which documents the quintessentially evil essence of the apostate's former organization chronicled through the apostate's personal experience of capture and ultimate escape/rescue.
    • Defector role: an organizational participant negotiates exit primarily with organizational authorities, who grant permission for role relinquishment, control the exit process, and facilitate role transmission. The jointly constructed narrative assigns primary moral responsibility for role performance problems to the departing member and interprets organizational permission as commitment to extraordinary moral standards and preservation of public trust.
    • Whistleblower role: defined here as one in which an organization member forms an alliance with an external regulatory unit through offering personal testimony concerning specific, contested organizational practices that is then used to sanction the organization. The narrative constructed jointly by the whistleblower and regulatory agency is one which depicts the whistleblower as motivated by personal conscience and the organization by defense of public interest.

    Stuart A. Wright, an American sociologist and author, asserts that apostasy is a unique phenomenon and a distinct type of religious defection, in which the apostate is a defector "who is aligned with an oppositional coalition in an effort to broaden the dispute, and embraces public claimsmaking activities to attack his or her former group." [ 5 ]

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    The intellectual and academic level of this forum is just a constant dissappointment to Teary.
    He has repeatedly and consistenty stated that he is using the SOCIOLOGICAL defintion of apostasy, not the RELIGIOUS definition.........Teary

    Yet Teary uses religious references..Teary is very confused

    Stuart A. Wright, an American sociologist and author, asserts that apostasy is a unique phenomenon and a distinct type of religious defection,
    defines an apostate to be not just a person who experienced a dramatic change in conviction but “a man who, even in his new state of belief,
    is spiritually living not primarily in the content of that faith, in the pursuit of goals appropriate to it, but only in the struggle against the old faith and for the sake of
    its negation." [3] [4] defines an apostate to be not just a person who experienced a dramatic change in conviction but “a man who, even in his new state of belief, is spiritually
    not primarily in the content of that faith, in the pursuit of goals appropriate to it, but only in the struggle against the old faith and for the sake of its negation." [3] [4]

    And..

    Teary still can`t find the Dictionary..

    ....................;-)...OUTLAW

  • Teary Oberon
    Teary Oberon

    Outlaw still can't read or understand the concepts of "scholarly reference" and "single terms having multiple definitions depending on the context."

    And just because of that, Teary gets the impression that this forum isn't worth his time. Discussions are much more enjoyable when both sides are literate. Peace out.

    --Teary

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