That about sums it up. You have to come up with at least one instance of credible evidence. And you fail again and again because the "debunkers" are there to point out your logical mistakes, your misquotes (or in this case just hearing what you want to hear), and contradictory theories. And yes, we have to do it DOZENS of times because you keep coming up with stupid shit.
Never sum things up too quickly.
Friday, July 22 2005 - 9/11 Commission
The Mineta Testimony: 9/11 Commission Exposed
Mineta's PEOC testimony was also edited out of the 9/11 Commission video archive.
When questioned about this, representatives at the National Archive stated that the video may have been lost because of a 'snafu'. Following is a brief summary of the scrubbed video along with links to recently obtained C-SPAN video.
Clip #1: Lee Hamilton questions Mineta
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Mineta responds to an opening question by Commissioner Hamilton about the events in the PEOC and an alleged shoot down order. He describes a conversation between Cheney and a young man:
Mineta: "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??"
Mineta explains that while he had not known it at the time, he had surmised that the standing order the young man asked about must have been a shoot down order. Hamilton, looking a bit confused, seeks clarification about which flight the conversation was regarding, and Mineta once again clarifies that it is the flight that hit the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. on September 11.
There was good reason for the quizzical expression on Hamilton's face. Secretary Mineta had thoroughly trashed previous accounts of the PEOC activities that had been published in the press.
In a CNN piece dated 9/11/02, the timing of events had been represented differently. According to CNN:
"After the planes struck the twin towers, a third took a chunk out of the Pentagon. Cheney then heard a report that a plane over Pennsylvania was heading for Washington. A military assistant asked Cheney twice for authority to shoot it down."
In the CNN piece Cheney aid Josh Bolton describes the same exchange between Cheney and the young man that Mineta did, but Bolton ties the exchange to "a report that a plane over Pennsylvania was heading for Washington". This is the official White House legend, the one adopted in the White House produced 9/11 Commission Report, the one exposed by Mineta.
Hamilton follows with a question about Flight 93:
Hamilton: "With respect to flight 93, what type of information were you and the Vice President receiving about that flight."
Mineta: "The only information we had at that point, was when it crashed."
Chairman Kean then stresses that the Secretary's time is limited. He moves to Commissioner Roemer, who, immediately prior to his questioning appears to be receiving counsel.
Clip #2: Tim Roemer seeks to discredit Mineta
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Mineta responds to a condescending greeting by Commissioner Roemer by giving a timeline for when he arrived in the PEOC (9:20), and an estimate of when the conversation between the young man and the vice president occurred (9:25-26). Roemer paints a picture of chaos and conflicting decision making between the functioning of the Situation Room and the PEOC and proposes a confused scenario of how a shoot down order might have transpired, to which Mineta replies:
Mineta: "That would be speculation on my part as to what was happening on that day."
At this point Roemer appears to attempt to discredit Mineta and imply that he, like Rumsfeld, was "out of the loop":
Roemer: "I know. Because you had been conducting official business and I'm sure you were hurriedly on your way over there..."
Mineta: "As I was listening!"
Thwarted, Roemer then tries to clarify how the order played out.
Roemer: "Would your inference be that they scrambled the jets to shoot down the commercial airliner, it failed, and the commercial airliner then crashed into the Pentagon?"
Mineta: "I'm not sure that the aircraft that were scrambled to come up to the D.C. area...were under orders to shoot the airplane down..."
Mineta ultimately expressed the obvious, that the standing order was an open question only Cheney could answer. The fact that the 9/11 Commission Report discarded his testimony has never been explained. Secretary Mineta did not respond to an open letter addressed to him. It is not known whether the letter got past his spokesman Robert Johnson, who did not respond to multiple messages. It might be worth noting that Johnson was formerly the spokesman of Arizona Congressman Jon Kyl, who was meeting the morning of 9/11 with Porter Goss, Bob Graham and at the time Pakistan ISI Intelligence Chief Mahmood Ahmed. Ahmed was linked to the wiring of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta.
If Mineta's testimony is to be taken into account, and there is no apparent reason why it should not be, questions about the timing of events the morning of 9/11 come into focus. Most obvious is, if the standing order given by the Vice President prior to the aircraft hitting the Pentagon was not a shoot down order, then what was it? Perhaps it was the danger of this question, and the danger that Cheney would have had to commit perjury to uphold the timeline reported in the mainstream press, that caused the Vice President to testify to the Commission along with the President in closed session, with no transcript, no witnesses, and no public accountability.