Shelby You did choose the word TRUTH in the title here for a reason, no? Or is it just a coincidence? ;)
No, for a reason, dear Twitch (again, peace to you!): as shown in my question "What is 'truth'". I did not give my usual response anywhere (that "Christ is the Truth"). I didn't even go there... because that wasn't what this thread was about. Unfortunately, the "blinders" that so many now where (most probably due to their previous experience with religion)... didn't allow some to see that.
One could say it's similar to previous threads you've started with similar subject matter and a similar tack. Surely you can see that? Others can and have.
I really do not, dear one. Truly. I saw an article. Given that I recalled someone stating somewhere (and not necessarily on this board, but perhaps so)... that "nothing travels faster than the speed of light"... and that statement being accepted as truth... I thought "Wait a minute... if there IS something faster then the statement re the speed of light can't be TRUE. What if it's NOT true? What, then IS truth? WHEN do we deem something to be the "truth"?" And I was reminded of how the WTBTS said "something" was "true" in 1940-something... then something ELSE was "true" in 1960-something... and, as someone who is concerned with truth (given not only how much I was lied to while in the WTBTS... but how much I apparently lied to others as well)... I wanted to know what others would say as to WHEN truth is actually TRUTH.
Thus far, I don't see where a single commenter has addressed that. What's sad to me is that... I think I knew no one would when I started the post. I was hoping someone would... would "see"... that in THIS world... truth is relative, subjective... and NOT objective... as so many seem to state it is. And that it is because of this subjectivity and relativity... that I have a most difficult time understand how others think regarding truth.
Was not to be, obviously...
You chastise me for not being honest with myself, you can't even admit the reasons for your own threads and the reason behind them "oh, I don't mean to provoke but this is interesting".
That was the truth... and if you knew me... and how I think (which I have openly admitted)... you would have known it was the truth. If it wasn't, I would have stated whatever the "real" reason was. I did so state the real reason: to ascertain what others believe IS truth, based on when it comes about.
The level of passive aggressive "baiting" is all too apparent and if I was the only one who saw it, I might be wrong but I'm not.
Again, you've mispegged me. My title asks "COULD Einstein Have Been Wrong?"... and some of the responses indicate to ME... that some don't believe so. That his theory is absolutely and unbreakably correct and therefore, the truth. Which I am not disputing. However, if there IS something faster than the speed of light... Mr. Einstein's theory would be replaced... by ANOTHER "truth", yes? So, let's say that occurs: which one is the TRUTH... and was not the replacing theory "true"... even before it replaced the current theory?
That's ALL I'm asking... and I have to say that I was quite surprised at HOW offended some got at the question. Perhaps some took the title of the thread as provocative (because it suggested that Mr. Einstein might be wrong)... but I'm not the one suggesting he might have been: SCIENTISTS are suggesting that! And it's STILL a "could" or "might". Not an "is." I only used this particular article because of the questions it raised in ME... as to what "we"... man... tend to deem as "truth."
What's fascinating to me is that some of you absolutely start threads designed to provoke. Even hurt. With all intention. Yet, because I don't speak as YOU do or word things as YOU do... you assume that I was coming from a place, well, perhaps YOU might. I was not... and did not.
Call it a goose, it still walks like a duck.
But a goose is NOT a duck. And this was neither a goose NOR a duck. Just because it has webbed feet doesn't even mean it's a BIRD: it could've been a dang platypus! But it wouldn't have made a difference, surely. No matter HOW I titled it, worded it, phrased it, whatever, some of you would have gone where you went. Regardless. A look back on our interchanges shows that. It's the same old, same old... tired old... back and forth. And if I ignore any of you... well, then... of course, you've shut me up, locked me down, I have nothing to say because I can't respond, etc. If I DO respond, well, I'm crazy delusional, dishonest, misleading, what have you. Again, the whole Salem witchhunt game: damned if I do... damned if I don't.
And the best part is the spin where you post something looking for responses and chastise those who disagree with the theme.
No. Adamantly and vehemently NO. Because I STATED, IN WRITING, TWICE:
"... no provocation... and no invitation to debate/discuss physics, evolution, religion, etc. Just some things on my mind... why certain things "confuse" ME. You may not agree, they may not confuse YOU... and that's entirely okay. But I thought the article interesting... and perhaps thought-provoking for someone other than myself. My comments, therefore, are as to what we believe to be TRUE... versus what may actually BE... true."
I made myself VERY clear. That you and some others CHOSE to ignore that... and become provoked on your OWN... is on you. You could just have easily ignored the thread... and me. That you COULDN'T... has absolutely NOTHING to do with me, nothing at all. There are all KINDS of provocative threads on this board... on a daily basis. Some literally intending TO provoke. Do I allow them to compel ME? Heck, no. It's an INTERNET board! Why in the WORLD would I let a thread MAKE me respond... heck, even open it... if I didn't really WANT to know what the poster had to say? Seriously?
Somehow I didn't think you posted on other discussion boards which is understandable but not for the reasons you give (i.e. "I wasn't sent to them by the Lord"). I would think it could only widen your audience and help more of the lost and confused, those seeking that which they do not know.
I don't have an audience, dear one. I am a small rock crying out in the wilderness. A very small rock. In fact, that's what my name means: "little rock." If I am to "help" more... then they will find me or me them. It is not random: Christ chooses, not me.
I would think that if what you hear is really TRUTH, it should be shared with everyone, at any time. Why limit the WORD?
I am not limiting it, dear one. I am merely going to the "house" that I have been sent to. If others are not going where THEY are sent... that's on them. As for it being shared "with everyone"... that is not my understanding. My understanding is the MY "territory"... is the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... who are here. Now, that some who are NOT of that House get to hear, too, is... well, not my concern. Perhaps some of such ones will "go with" Israel as a result. If so, wonderful! If not... not my call. It's between them... and the One calling. I'm just a little rock.
Surely it would stand up against any opposition, no? Perhaps you could ask whats-his-name if he's sent someone to the SDA or perhaps the Westboro Baptists as those people really need some TRUTH, no?
I did ask... and he said HE is the One who calls his sheep out. So, if you notice, I am not sharing INSIDE the WTBTS... but with those who have been called OUT. Why? Because apparently, although some heard the call and came out... they didn't know where to go after that. But that's because there IS no "where" but only a "whom." They were never TOLD that... when they were IN, though... so they may not know it.
Or do they have it already?
Are they clean? Or touching something unclean?
One might think your views on god and what you've been told would be welcome discussion.
Why would one think that? That was not what I was told... nor, as a result, what I expected. Where did YOU get that it would be anything other than a "torture" tree/pole? I knew that's what it would be... and I took up mine, anyway.
Apparently though, this is not the case but I would love to be a virtual fly on the cyber wall if you should ever decide to discuss your views with a wider audience.
Unfortunately, my understanding is that that day will come... and this is merely part of my "training" in preparation for that. If you think it's bad for me, here... apparently, "we ain't seen nuthin', yet."
As for your request for me not to read your threads, you are saying I should keep my opinion to myself?
No, no... of course not. I am saying that if my threads/posts so offend you and you become provoked... to the point of calling me names, questioning my sanity, speaking abusively, etc.... perhaps you should just refrain. Why get your chonies in a bunch over me... and what I have to say... about ANYTHING? Why does what I share MATTER to you folks?
That I should refrain from voicing an opinion if it's in disagreement with yours or the topic?
Absolutely not. Never said that, never meant that. Find it interesting that YOU think that's where I was coming from, though...
Well, since you play the WTS card often with others, I guess it's ok for me too as well in this instance since the shoe fits.
I disagree. You don't HAVE to believe what I believe... or not read my posts... or remove yourself from my "synagogue". Nor will I remove you or ask you to BE removed. You have EVERY right to believe what and as you do. Unfortunately, you are the one imitating the WTBTS... in your attempts to either persuade me to not believe as I do... or call me names/insinuate a lack of sanity, etc. for doing so/not believing as YOU do.
But I post because it's my prerogative on a public forum.
Ummmmm... likewise, dear one?
I've never told you to refrain from voicing your opinion and wouldn't but you can follow your own advice and ignore my posts if you don't like what's said. I'm not really posting for your benefit or to change your mind or beliefs anyways; this is not about you or me.
Then my sincerest apologies, because your comments above lead me to believe otherwise. You may not have SAID to refrain, but surely you realize that labelling someone with things like "passive-aggressive"... which supposedly has a NEGATIVE connotation (and most people who don't want to be viewed negatively cease whatever it is that makes them appear such)... is designed to have that affect?
Despite your analysis, I have no problem with christians or god, in fact, if your opinion is that I'm somehow trying to work out some internal issue with god, it would stand to reason that I would debate anyone/everyone on it. Do I? Please direct me to threads where I rail against christianity and god in general on an ongoing basis.
Dear Twitch... if that is NOT the direction you're coming from (and forgive me if I've misunderstood you)... then what is the POINT of your comments to me? You know, the ones such as:
"The level of passive aggressive 'baiting'"... "Call it a goose, it still walks like a duck".... and "the best part is the spin", etc.
Basically, you're calling me dishonest and a liar... which I would accept if it were TRUE. It is not. I know what I meant... and what I intended.
I work with a couple diehard christians; we get along fine. I have couple good friends who are christians, some wiccans, some atheists, the odd buddhist, some hedonists, a good mix in fact. And if and when the moment arises, I will discuss it much as I do here.
Same here. I don't make any distinction, dear one. People... are people.
Think of me as you will; I don't mind and certainly won't be offended by your opinion or chastisement or whatever you're saying about the reasons for why I do what I do. As if you know me better than I do.
Interesting comment. Do you folks TRULY not see the double-standard and hypocrisy? TRULY??
Bottom line it really doesn't matter as we both are settled in our beliefs and affect the world as best we can. I'm with those who are skeptical of "holy ones" who speak with god and preach their version of TRUTH. And I like it that way.
And that is entirely your prerogative. You did not see me post, "You must believe as I do and accept what I think/feel/believe/post, Twitch." You will NEVER see me post such a thing. I threw out what I think on a matter... what confuses ME... and why. Which, again, no one, including you...has addressed. You've addressed a LOT of things... most of which have absolutely NOTHING to do with what I posted... but not the jist of the post. Wanna do that, now?
But I'm not surprised you don't post your unorthodox beliefs to a more challenging and diverse audience; much easier soil for sowing here.
Sigh. Sowing what... and easy how, dear one? I've been here for 10 years. Where is all of the "wheat"? Sure, there are some... but in comparison to the number of members, they are less than even a "little" flock. And even so, their "growth" has absolutely nothing to do with me. Sure, some of what I share resounds with them. But like you, they are free moral agents... and have every right to CHOOSE... FOR THEMSELVES... who they will follow. That it sometimes turns out the be my Lord (and theirs), the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH... has absolutely nothing to do with me.
For what it's worth, I'd have much more respect and admiration for you if you could hold your own in other forums. Let me know if and when that happens...
For what it's worth, your lack of respect doesn't keep me up nights, sorry. I will go to another forum if and when I am sent. I have gone a few times due to invitations from those here... and can't seem to "see" there. I don't hear, either. I then realize it's not MY work... and so not MY choice as to where I DO the work. That would be presumption on my part.
But thank you, as well, for all of YOUR "concern"... and, again, peace to you!
YOUR servant (yep! for the same reason that I am to the others), and a slave of Christ,