The Value of a Godless World

by cantleave 109 Replies latest jw friends

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  EntirelyPossible

  Surely you must realise you've shot your own argument down in flames on this page.

  Absolutely not. I tried being reasonable, still thinking decided to not only be willfully stupid but negative Nancy. She was forwarned. Making fun of someone for being willfully stupid after warning them you will is a sign of an evolved moral code. Attempts at education, then a warning of next action, then keeping my word.

  Not really any different than having to discipline a small child.

  Speaking of which...

  the only thing you win is playing with yourself...and I get the feeling you do that a lot

  Still thinking is still trying. Let's see her best shot...

  
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  EntirelyPossible

  Oh Still, you don't owe anyone an apology. EP is my friend, and I care about him, but even he knows that he canbe pretty...um... rough... in a debate/discussion/argument.

  No one ever needs to apologize to me. If what they say is true, then I am not offended by the truth. If what they say is a lie, why I care what a liar says?

  What will set me off if when people are willfully ignorant and refuse to learn, are so entrenched in ideas they will defend them to the point of absurdity, when they try to pass off ignorance as a virtue and willful ignorance as an honorable practice. I will try to help them, if they refuse to learn or even try after multiple attempts, then I simply start mocking them. Hopefully the mocking will save someone from listening. If I look like a dick in the process...hey, if it walks like a ducks and talks like a duck...

  BTW, tec, I still haven't forgotten to get back to you on that other thread. Just been a busy day, have the kids this weekend, went to play ball, have dinner, got a ton of work to do, etc. I'll get on it probably tomorrow when I'm in the pub working and watching football.
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  tec

  BTW, tec, I still haven't forgotten to get back to you on that other thread. Just been a busy day, have the kids this weekend, went to play ball, have dinner, got a ton of work to do, etc. I'll get on it probably tomorrow when I'm in the pub working and watching football.

  No problem. I understand busy days, and of course I understand about your kids. Have fun with them and don't even think about this place!

  (As a side note, someone drawing a different conclusion using the same evidence does not mean that they're ignorant. It just means they have reached a different conclusion.)

  Peace,

  Tammy
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  EntirelyPossible

  As a side note, someone drawing a different conclusion using the same evidence does not mean that they're ignorant. It just means they have reached a different conclusion

  I agree. Whensome, however, decides to ignore or purposefully misrepresent factual evidence in order to make a point, then it's open season.
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  still thinking

  http://www.unicef.org/protection/index_exploitation.html

  Trafficking is a violation of fundamental rights.

  Trafficking in children is a global problem affecting large numbers of children. Some estimates have as many as 1.2 million children being trafficked every year. There is a demand for trafficked children as cheap labour or for sexual exploitation. Children and their families are often unaware of the dangers of trafficking, believing that better employment and lives lie in other countries.

  Child trafficking is lucrative and linked with criminal activity and corruption. It is often hidden and hard to address. Trafficking always violates the child’s right to grow up in a family environment. In addition, children who have been trafficked face a range of dangers, including violence and sexual abuse. Trafficked children are even arrested and detained as illegal aliens.

  Some facts:

  • UNICEF estimates that 1,000 to 1,500 Guatemalan babies and children are trafficked each year for adoption by couples in North America and Europe.
  • Girls as young as 13 (mainly from Asia and Eastern Europe) are trafficked as “mail-order brides.” In most cases these girls and women are powerless and isolated and at great risk of violence.
  • Large numbers of children are being trafficked in West and Central Africa, mainly for domestic work but also for sexual exploitation and to work in shops or on farms. Nearly 90 per cent of these trafficked domestic workers are girls.
  • Children from Togo, Mali, Burkina Faso and Ghana are trafficked to Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Cameroon and Gabon. Children are trafficked both in and out of Benin and Nigeria. Some children are sent as far away as the Middle East and Europe.
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  still thinking

  Sexual exploitation

  Sexual activity is often seen as a private matter, making communities reluctant to act and intervene in cases of sexual exploitation. These attitudes make children more vulnerable to sexual exploitation. Myths, such as the belief that HIV/AIDS can be cured through sex with a virgin, technological advances such as the Internet which has facilitated child pornography, and sex tourism targeting children, all add to their vulnerability.

  • Surveys indicate that 30 to 35 per cent of all sex workers in the Mekong sub-region of Southeast Asia are between 12 and 17 years of age.
  • Mexico’s social service agency reports that there are more than 16,000 children engaged in prostitution, with tourist destinations being among those areas with the highest number.
  • In Lithuania, 20 to 50 percent of prostitutes are believed to be minors. Children as young as age 11 are known to work as prostitutes. Children from children’s homes, some 10 to 12 years old, have been used to make pornographic movies.
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  still thinking

  United Nations FACTS about human trafficking

  http://www.unglobalcompact.org/docs/issues_doc/labour/Forced_labour/HUMAN_TRAFFICKING_-_THE_FACTS_-_final.pdf

  An estimated 2.5 million people are in forced labour (including sexual exploitation) at any given time as a result of trafficking
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  still thinking

  Child labour

  http://www.unicef.org/protection/index_childlabour.html

  An estimated 158 million children aged 5-14 are engaged in child labour - one in six children in the world. Millions of children are engaged in hazardous situations or conditions, such as working in mines, working with chemicals and pesticides in agriculture or working with dangerous machinery. They are everywhere but invisible, toiling as domestic servants in homes, labouring behind the walls of workshops, hidden from view in plantations.

  • In Sub-Saharan Africa around one in three children are engaged in child labour, representing 69 million children.
  • In South Asia, another 44 million are engaged in child labour.
  • The latest national estimates for this indicator are reported in Table 9 (Child Protection) of UNICEF's annual publication The State of the World's Children.

  Children living in the poorest households and in rural areas are most likely to be engaged in child labour. Those burdened with household chores are overwhelmingly girls. Millions of girls who work as domestic servants are especially vulnerable to exploitation and abuse.

  Labour often interferes with children’s education. Ensuring that all children go to school and that their education is of good quality are keys to
  preventing child labour.
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  still thinking

  2008 Chinese milk scandal

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

  The World Health Organization referred to the incident as one of the largest food safety events it had had to deal with in recent years, and that the crisis of confidence among Chinese consumers would be hard to overcome. [ 8 ] A spokesman said the scale of the problem proved it was "clearly not an isolated accident, [but] a large-scale intentional activity to deceive consumers for simple, basic, short-term profits." [ 8 ]
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  still thinking

  EntirelyPossible

  Re: The Value of a Godless World posted a day ago (9/17/2011)

  Post 1047 of 1072 Since 3/20/2011

  What evidence is there to show that a moral code is evolving? It could be argued that we, society is losing its morals and is degenerating. Slavery is mostly outlawed, women have the right to vote, are no longer property, child labor is slowly becoming a thing of the past, babies are no longer left to die if they seem weak, the mentally challenged are, for the most part, no longer hidden away as an embarassement and are enabled to be productive and happy members of society. I can keep going, but I think those are enough examples.

  I have used YOUR OWN examples....I have NOT used my own...

  I will admit that maybe things are not getting worse...that probably was an overstatement...however, as much as we would LIKE to think the world is evolving morally into a better place...I do not see this in the FACTS of what is ACTUALLY happening. (not what we say we don't want to happen)

  Slavery and child labour is NOT a thing of the past...it is a growing business...often times helped by people in the very institutions set up to condem these practices.