Chemtrails, Seeing is believing.

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  • eva luna
    eva luna

    your Welcome bohm, and you can pick the conclusion you

    Hey maybe you need to visit the Pacific coast . WE can watch the tic tac toe 'Chemical trails' over the Central coast, while sipping some Bargetto seditive.


  • bohm

    eva: now THATS a field trip i would second every day

  • Low-Key Lysmith
    Low-Key Lysmith

    Still at it, eh? Some folks will argue about anything.

    Oh well. Have fun & play nice.

  • mrsjones5

    *looking up at the central California valley sky*

    Not a trail to be seen. I'll be in the area of my birth (the SF Bay Area) come Monday and I bet ya I won't see any trails there either. If I do y'all will be the first to know.

  • drwtsn32

    Proof is missing. All you chemtrail people have are speculations. Show us some sort of PROOF!

  • ProdigalSon

    Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977 Names Chemtrails As An 'Exotic Weapon'January 14, 2002 - source: By Lorie Kramer / [email protected]

    After years of denial from government, military, and environmental agencies, the reality of the controversial issue regarding the covert programs known as Chemtrails has been acknowledged.

    On October 2, 2001 Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Ohio introduced H. R. 2977 during the 1st Session of the 107th Congress of the United States. The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" seeks to "preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benfit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons."

    In the bill Chemtrails are listed as an "exotic weapons system". Ironically in Section 7 - Definitions. The complete text of the bill may be found at Clifford Carnicom's website, "Chemtrail Crimes and Coverup Documented".

    The bill also addresses such things as particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation, and mind-control as weapons. All of these areas have been researched and pondered by those investigating chemtrails and working to gain accountability for those programs.

    They can't have it both ways. Water vapor is not a weapon.

    This is a call to all those of conscience. This is a time when action is needed. It is time. The lies have gone on long enough. We can tell the Air Force and the Navy and the other agencies involved in this criminal activity, "No, You may NOT own the Weather ...Period!" We may not have another chance.

    On behalf of the members of Chemtrail Tracking USA, Clifford Carnicom's Board, Chemtrail Central and the many other groups and individuals working diligently to get accountability, we urge your listeners to respond. Contact government and media, demand answers. If not now, when?

    We know what we see. We did not consent. We want it stopped.

    To see text of HR 2977:

    Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in the House)

    HR 2977 IH

    107th CONGRESS

    1st Session

    H. R. 2977

    To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


    October 2, 2001

    Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

    A BILL

    To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


    This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.


    Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.


    The President shall--

    (1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

    (2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.


    The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

    SEC. 5. REPORT.

    The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

    (1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

    (2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.


    Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

    (1) space exploration;

    (2) space research and development;

    (3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

    (4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.


    In this Act:

    (1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

    (2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

    (i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

    (I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

    (II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

    (III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or
    extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

    (IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

    (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

    (I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

    (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

    (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

    (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

    (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

    (ii) chemtrails;

    (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

    (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

    (v) laser weapons systems;

    (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

    (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

    (C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

  • shamus100

    From what I got out of that garbled post, that was a report from 2002 (keep in mind it's 2011) and it outlines laws about banning exotic weapons such as space beams, along with high altitude spraying. Yes, you could spray at high altitude using a weapon, IT DOES'T MEAN THEY'RE DOING IT!


    You deliberately ignore all my posts, and when you do finally answer them, you go into a bitchy huff about how we're all stupid without proof. I'm sorry, I left a cult and don't accept any persons assumptions ever, without proof.



  • shamus100

    So if this is real, we should start a thread about theatre weapons, and more specifically, EXTRATERRESTRIAL WEAPONS.

    Dear god man, read it!

  • ProdigalSon


    Clifford E Carnicom
    Santa Fe, New Mexico
    May 24 2004

    A series of qualitative chemical tests and deductions now confirm without doubt the presence of significant amounts of barium within atmospheric samples. Citizens may now begin the process of collecting the sample materials for formal submission to public environmental agencies and private labs for identification. The testing process can be done at modest expense and the results from laboratory analysis can now be qualitatively and independently verified without great difficulty. Any testing service employed will need to be able to demonstrate no vested interest in the outcome of the results, accuracy of method, and the willingness to have the testing process independently monitored.

    The material under analysis has been collected by a plate ionizing filter; it may also be collected with conventional fiber filtration over a longer period of time. HEPA filter collection and subsequent electrolysis of the filter material placed in distilled water has also proven successful. Extended time periods may be required to collect a sufficient volume of material for electrolytic processing and external testing preferences. Readers are referred to previous articles 1,2 for two methods of collection. The use of electrolysis is significant in producing a final compound for testing purposes. The solid materials (powder/ crystals) collected by the plate ionizing filter, assuming they satisify the test procedures described on this page, will be sufficient for laboratory analysis. Qualitative chemical tests and flame tests positively establish the significant presence of barium compounds within the atmospheric sample.

    Citizens with sufficient environmental concern are encouraged to begin this process of sample collection and identification, along with the documentation of the responses of both public and private environmental services.

    Additional Notes:

    The process of collection and analysis is summarized as follows:

    1. Solid materials are collected with the use of a plate ionizing filter or fiber based filters as described previously. 1,2

    2. The material can be subjected to low power microscopic viewing to verify similiarity of material form before proceeding. The powder/crystal material under collection has a tan, beige or gray cast to it. The presence of fibrous materials within the sample is not the focus of this report, and further analysis of those materials may occur at a later time.

    3. The solid powder/crystal material that is the subject of this report will be found to dissolve easily within distilled water. Extremely small samples have been used for all tests as the material requires time and effort to collect in sufficient quantity. For testing purposes, samples of a fraction of a gram have been dissolved within a few milliliters of distilled water.

    4. Solutions of higher concentrations, e.g., 1 part solid to 3 parts water will be found to be strongly alkaline. This indicates the presence of a base and hydroxide ions. A pH value of 9 was recorded in the test that is the subject of this report.

    5. A weak solution (fraction of a gram to 40ml water) will be found to permit significant electrolysis reactions. A variety of electrodes have been used to verify the chemical results, including aluminum, iron, copper, silver and graphite electrodes. The work at this point establishes the presence of a soluble metallic hydroxide form in solution.

    6. Chromatography experiments and comparative analysis allows us to conclude that the atomic mass of the metallic cation under examination is greater than that of copper, or greater than 63.5 atomic mass units. 3 Cations under reasonable consideration 4 therefore include:

    Ag + , Au +2 , Ba +2 , Bi +3 , Cd +2 , Ce +4 , Cs + , Ga +3 , Hg +2 , Pb +2 , Rb + , Sb +3 , Sn +2 , Sr +2

    7. The results of electrolysis with graphite electrodes permits us to conclude that a reactive metal is a component 5 of the metallic hydroxide under examination.

    8. The electrochemical series and the half-reaction electrode potentials are therefore consulted 6,7 to establish a list of reasonable candidates for the cation of the metallic salt which disassociates in solution to permit electrolysis. The list of candidate cations, with the condition of hydroxide formation included, is now reduced to:

    Ba +2 , Sr +2 , Rb + and Cs + with oxidation potentials of 2.91, 2.90, 2.98 and 3.03 volts respectively.

    It is noticed that this group is now closely confined within the periodic table, and that chemical properties of these elements are in many ways shared. It is also instructive to note the remarkable similiarity in the work functions of these elements, which is an expression of the ionization capabililty of the element.

    9. Each of these cations must form a soluble hydroxide. Solubility tables 8 indicate that these conditions are satisified by each of the hydroxide forms: Ba(OH) 2 , Sr(OH) 2 , RbOH and CsOH.

    10. Practical levels of worldwide production of the elements are helpful to consider 9 . Barium and strontium both are produced at high tonnage levels worldwide, rubidium and cesium are inconsequential in production. Barium production is stated at 6 million tons per year, strontium at 137,000 tons, cesium at 20 tons and rubidium in such low levels as to not be available. Common hydroxide forms are also to be considered in this analysis. This reduces the candidate cation list to strontium and barium, whereupon additional conditions of qualitative testing are to be imposed.

    11. The material in solution must produce a cation and a hydroxide ion in solution. Precipitate tests are conducted with carbonate, oxalate and sulfate compounds for the existence of barium or strontium ions, using a combination of the unknown with sodium carbonate, sodium oxalate and copper sulfate 10 . The material in question forms a precipitate under all three conditions. The consideration of barium hydroxide and strontium hydroxide continues to be valid under under these results.

    12. The precipitate formed with the use of copper sulfate is hypothesized to be barium sulfate. The precipitate formed under electrolysis is also hypothesized to be a barium sulphate compound. Solubility tests are necessary to test this hypothesis. The precipitate and the compound formed from electrolysis pass the solubility tests when subjected to water, hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid and ethanol. The identification of barium sulphate remains valid. The sulfate precipitate fails the solubility test for strontium sulfate, as strontium sulfate is soluble in hydrochloric acid. The sulphate compound that has been formed by both displacement and electrolysis is highly insoluble, and is insoluble in hydrochloric acid.

    13. The solubility test for barium carbonate should also be verified. The carbonate precipitate is soluble in hydrochloric acid and passes this test. The identification of barium compounds in the analysis remains valid. No solubility tests for barium oxalate are specified 11 .

    14. The next test which is to be conducted is the flame test. Barium burns yellow-green under the flame test 12,13 . A sample of the electrolysis compound, identified as barium sulphate, is subjected to a flame test using a nichrome wire. The compound is observed to burn with a yellow-green color. The identification of barium compounds within the analysis is valid under all conditions and circumstances examined.

    15. The final test is a viewing of the spectrum of the flame test with a calibrated spectroscope and an optical spectroscope. Dominant green and yellow emission spectral lines are measured at approximately 515 (wider line, boundary line) and 587 nanometers (narrow and distinct), they are confirmed with the optical spectroscope, and they correspond to the green and yellow wavelengths specified for the flame test. A secondary wide line in the green portion of the spectrum borders at approximately 560nm. For comparison purposes, the spectrum of barium chloride and barium hydroxide test salts in solution appears and measures identically within the green portion of the spectrum. The identification of barium compounds within the analysis remains valid under all conditions and examined and tests conducted.

    The most reasonable hypothesis at this point is that the original compound is a barium oxide form. This compound readily combines with water to form barium hydroxide. The ionizing plate filter and the fiber filter both appear to be successful at accumulating the solid form of this metallic salt. Solubility, pH, precipitation, chromatography, electrode, electrolysis, flame, spectroscopy and spectroscopy comparison tests all support the conclusion within this report that significant levels of barium compounds have been verified to exist and are now to be examined in the atmospheric sampling process. This report corroborates, at an elevated level, the previous research that is available on this site.

    This page is subject to revision.


    1. Clifford E Carnicom, Electrolysis and Barium, (, May 27, 2002
    2. Carnicom, Sub-Micron Particulates Isolated, (, Apr 26, 2004
    3. Frank Eshelman, Ph.D., MicroChem Manual (Frank Eschelman,, 2003), 1-4, 76.
    4. Gordon J. Coleman, The Addison-Wesley Science Handbook (Addison-Wesley, 1997), 130.
    5. Andrew Hunt, A-Z Chemistry, (McGraw-Hill, 2003), 125.
    6. David R. Lide, CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, (CRC Press, 2001), 8-21 to 8-31.
    7. Fred C. Hess, Chemistry Made Simple, (Doubleday, 1984), 89, 91.
    8. Lide, 4-37 to 4-96.
    9. John Emsley, The Elements, (Clarendon Press, 1998), 30-31, 46-47, 176-177, 196-197.
    10. University of Nebraska-Lincoln, The Identification of Ions, (
    11. Lide, 4-44.
    12. Hunt, 152-153.
    13. Infoplease Encyclopedia, Flame Test, (

  • ProdigalSon

    Santa Fe, New Mexico
    May 24 2004

    A preliminary analytical estimate of the concentration of barium compounds within atmospheric samples that are under analysis has been reached. This estimate exceeds the limit of human exposure to airborne contaminants. The question of the enforcement of air quality standards arises as a result of this study, and further public involvement with environmental organizations and agencies is advised to address this potential problem.

    Atmospheric sample tests continue to confirm the presence of barium compounds within the atmosphere. The tests involve a variety of collection methods, including the use of plate ionization filters, electrostatic air filters, HEPA filters, and high grade furnace filters. Methods of analysis include solubility, pH, precipitation, chromatography, electrode, electrolysis, flame, spectroscopy and spectroscopy comparison tests. Public environmental agencies are advised to begin the process of replicating the test methods to confirm or refute the results that have been established.

    Soluble forms of barium are highly toxic, and are on par with the toxicity levels of arsenic.

    The compound reported under this analysis has been collected with a plate ionizing filter. The method of titration leads to a initial concentration estimate of approximately 4 parts per million (ppm). This is an estimate based upon the examination of one sample (collected over an interval of several weeks) only; testing by public service agencies with quantitative equipment with independent verification and monitoring is required. This report is provided as an estimate and an advisory. The initiation of quantitative tests by public service agencies, with independent monitoring and verification, is required.

    The maximum allowable limit for human exposure to barium atmospheric contaminants is 0.5 ppm 1 ; the current test result indicates that this limit may be exceeded by a factor of approximately eight times.

    The maximum allowable limit for human exposure to arsenic is also stated to be 0.5 ppm. 2

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