Undercover apostates...

by Maze 93 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze
    I have a cousin that was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. When he graduated from college and left home he completely quit attending meetings. This doesn't change the fact that he's still welcome in the family.

    You are being deliberately deceptive, here. Was this person ever baptized? There is a big difference between no longer attending meetings, and being disfellowshipped, and you know this. Even if this person were df'd, and still welcomed in the family, this would be the exception, not the rule. And you know this, too.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    I have had two family members try this same ruse separately, Keyser.

    When called out on the deceit, they both already knew, they were just hoping to get away with it. They weren't even really embarrassed about it. Sort of like ............... if they get away with it most of the time, it must be ok.

  • DesirousOfChange

    Spade: You've been here long enough so by asking this obvious question are you trying to create an illusion you're new here? BTW why do you bother creating another user here when you're not smart enough to at least change your IP address?

    Sh!t! You mean you can see a poster's IP address when they post on message board?

    Why aren't more people "outted"? [Or are they?]

  • godrulz

    sizemik: www.icr.org Catastrophism (global flood) explains the geological evidence better than uniformitarianism. I think you are unaware of much of the doctorate level research on young earth creationism.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    thanks godrulz I'll have a look at that. I'm reading "in six days, why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation" at the moment so would be really interesting.

  • steve2

    Maze, perhaps another undercover JW will save you from thinking too much for yourself and you'll finally be persuade by your brother or sister to act in a way that is fully consistent with your claim to having the "true"religion. Freed from the false urge to save so-called apostates, you'll stop the awful pretenc. Here's hoping. because I'd hate to see you corrupted by intelligent and rational thoughts.

  • sizemik

    OK godrulz . . . i'll indulge you . . . in spite of being off-topic

    I am somewhat familiar with the website you refer to . . . but to refute all of the conclusions contained therein would require more space than this Forum has to offer . . . so I'll take just two examples at random . . . feel free to raise any others as you see fit.

    Under the heading . . . Much Evidence Exists for a Worldwide Flood . . . the webpage has this to say . . .

    Widespread marine strata and fossils in the earth's highest mountains and upon elevated continental plateaus imply that the ocean once covered the continents.

    A common form of "marine strata" is limestone, and it's age following formation can be readily and accurately determined. This is possible because limestone frequently contains fluctuations in density giving rise to cavitation . . . and what we call limestone caves. Within these caves are often found formations formed by the action of water seeping through it on account of it's porosity . . . what we know as "stalagtites" and "stalagmites". The age of these structures can be determined to within a narrow geological time frame through cross-section analysis, much in the way we determine the age of trees by counting the rings . . . OK so far?

    Cross section analysis of these formations have determined some from the Archaean (3500 million years) through to the Tertiary (65 m.y) periods. Tectonic plate movement over such a period generates the uplift which places them above sea level. Parts of the British Isles have been shown to have been submerged and then uplifted up to twelve times throughout their geological history.

    The above quotation uses the word "imply" you will notice. The implication being that because marine strata can be found at elevated levels the oceans must have been there at some time. This is a specious conclusion, somewhat naieve, and what 99.9% of the worlds serious Geologists regard as childish in it's overt simplicity. In other words . . . it's crap.

    As a second example . . . under the heading . . . Transcontinental Sedimentation and the Flood . . . the webpage has this to say . . .

    Geologist Andrew Snelling recently reported that the Coconino Sandstone, visible in the walls of the Grand Canyon, is part of a vast slab containing a colossal 10,000 cubic miles of cemented sand. 2 Where did all this sand come from? The first clue is that “cross beds within the Coconino Sandstone (and the Glorieta Sandstone of New Mexico and Texas) dip toward the south, indicating that the sand came from the north.” 3 The nearest northern source of similarly colored sand was likely from far away Utah, and must have been washed down by a widespread sheet of water.

    In the Biblical description of the worldwide flood . . . a huge volume of rain fell in a short time . . . agreed? Rain fall indeed transports alluvial material including sand. However a cataclysm such as is described in the Bible would cause the movement of much larger aggregates than pure sand . . . and would form an aggregational mixture of sediment with aggregates as large as several tonnes. Sand strata and sandstones are formed by the gradual eroding of alluviums by a relatively small and regular exposure to rainfall over time . . . hence the aggregate is small (sand) and consistent in size. To put it simply . . . could all that sand travel down from Utah in a "wash" without picking up a few rocks on the way? A catclysmic event could not produce such consistency . . . logic alone should tell you that. This is indeed the case with the Coconino Sandstone. The sloping nature of the strata is simply the result of the aforementioned tectonic movement.

    High variable aggregates would, in the case of the biblical flood be present in huge volumes . . . be widespread . . . and of identical age . . . but they are not.

    In conclusion . . . the "Geologists" who support the notion of a world-wide flood seek their evidence with this preconcieved premise or bias. The remainig 99.9% of scientist involved in this field, examine the evidence without such a premise. Indeed such a premise is occlusive to true geological science.

    "Scientists" who indulge themselves in this way are not taken seriously by the wider scientific community regardless of their religion or premise (bias).

  • cofty

    I think you are unaware of much of the doctorate level research on young earth creationism.

    You mean like DR Dino?

  • sizemik

    LOL cofty . . . If any "Doctorate" graduates exist in "young earth creationism" . . . you can bet they didn't write a thesis on Noah's Ark!

  • DesirousOfChange

    A few JWs could justify coming here to try to influence people back (warnings or not). This seems like a reasonable thing, so I am surprised the WT is running scared (I guess more people would be influenced away from WT than towards it if they expose themselves to all the facts).

    Oh, buddy! You know it!

    There are several people on here that have all their WT facts together way more than even the WTS does. I've come to see that responsible parties at the WTS haven't even been able to keep up with all their own contradictions/changes/mis-statements through the years -- even the recent years if you disregard the "antique" history of Russell's days.

    Clearly there are some wackos here....... But there are also those whose quotes and statements hold up under scrutiny.

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