Undercover apostates...

by Maze 93 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    Alice/Rachel/Consfearacy/Spade/SuperSpook........and now Maze:

    Every single time you start a new "persona" on here, you make a thread about this topic.

    The question has been asked and answered AD NAUSEUM for you.

    You have no interest in the answer, as is evidenced by your lack of a response after starting this thread.

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    This thread is clearly a joke. At least Alice is reminding us why we are all here.

  • godrulz
    godrulz

    Apostasy is falling from truth. A born again Christian who becomes a Mormon, JW, or Muslim would be apostate. A false JW who leaves a false WT is not an apostate since they never had truth. They could move from being a false teacher to a born again Christian. In WT circles, they could call someone who leaves their group an apostate, but it would not be so in God's eyes. They would just be out of one false religion into another one or nothing. This is why there is still a spiritual vacuum when one leaves the WT that can only be filled by the real Jesus. As a JW, one is just a religious sinner vs atheistic sinner. Until one repents and trusts the real Jesus/YHWH, they remain condemned sinners in need of a sinless Savior.

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    Until one repents and trusts the real Jesus/YHWH, they remain condemned sinners in need of a sinless Savior.

    *Burp* ohhh...

    Were you ever a JW, godrulz?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    godrulz:

    Apostasy is falling from truth. A born again Christian who becomes a Mormon, JW, or Muslim would be apostate. A false JW who leaves a false WT is not an apostate since they never had truth. They could move from being a false teacher to a born again Christian. In WT circles, they could call someone who leaves their group an apostate, but it would not be so in God's eyes. They would just be out of one false religion into another one or nothing. This is why there is still a spiritual vacuum when one leaves the WT that can only be filled by the real Jesus. As a JW, one is just a religious sinner vs atheistic sinner. Until one repents and trusts the real Jesus/YHWH, they remain condemned sinners in need of a sinless Savior.

    What is your opinion of a JW who leaves to become a Catholic?

  • godrulz
    godrulz

    I have been a witness of the true Yahweh of the Bible, but never been in the WT or associated with Jehovah of the WT, a false god concept. My experience is evangelical Christian from 18-51 years old.

    A JW who becomes Catholic (there are similar parallels in these organizations) may be exchanging one religion/ritual for another. The person would be closer to the truth on virgin conception, Deity and physical resurrection of Christ, trinity, etc. They would have unbiblical ideas relating to salvation, Mary, Mass, purgatory, popery, etc. I am not Catholic because it is not the most biblical expression of biblical Christianity.

    I believe there are Catholics that know and love the true Jesus and are saved despite Catholicism, not because of it. If one trusts Christ alone by grace through faith in the Catholic church, they can be saved (we are saved by grace/faith, not theological perfection). If one trusts the Mother Catholic church, priests, saints, Mary, good works, rituals, Mass, rosary, indulgences, etc., then they are trusting works, religion, self, not Christ. God will judge. Catholics are not in the same cult boat as JWs and Mormons because of their sound doctrine of God/Christology. The problem is that they add extra/contrabiblical traditions to Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone as authority). I would hope Catholics would read and pray and join a more biblical, pure church, but that does not mean it is impossible for a Catholic to be saved (essential vs peripheral issues). Many Catholics are biblically illiterate, hypocrites, nominal, and do not have a personal relationship with Christ, while others do, despite the other errors.

    I agree with WT when it attacks certain aspects of Catholicism, but not on the issues that Catholics are right on (trinity, Deity/death of Christ, resurrection of Christ, Bible as the Word of God, etc.).

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    And you base all of this on a book compiled and edited by the Catholic church.

    Brilliant!

  • godrulz
    godrulz

    Scripture is inspired/God-breathed. The inspiration (original autographs), transmission (manuscripts), and canonicity is not a Catholic issue, but one that belongs to the whole church age under the providential guidance of the Holy Spirit. The WT also uses a 'Catholic' influenced canon (but rightly rejects Apocrypha) and even makes a big deal about a Catholic transliteration of YHWH (Jehovah). Catholics believe in the birth of Jesus and so does WT. This does not mean Catholics are JWs.

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    Were you ever a JW, godrulz?
    I have been a witness of the true Yahweh of the Bible, but never been in the WT or associated with Jehovah of the WT, a false god concept.

    "No" would've sufficed. Do you have family or close friends who are members?

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Scripture is inspired/God-breathed. The inspiration (original autographs), transmission (manuscripts), and canonicity is not a Catholic issue, but one that belongs to the whole church age under the providential guidance of the Holy Spirit.

    Do you have anything other than faith to support those assumptions?

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