About the Adam and Eve time gap....

by Lozhasleft 67 Replies latest jw friends

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Ding: "If Fred Franz is right with his gap theory, it's at 36 years and counting: 1975-2011."

    Ding, you have to take the Cain-Abel-Seth Gap into consideration. Adam was 130 years old when he Seth was born (Genesis 5:2). Even though the Bible doesn't say how old Adam was when Cain or Abel were born. However, let's assume that Cain was conceived immediately after the fall with Abel being conceived right after his brother's birth.

    Now assume that Cain was 20 years old when he slew his younger brother. You could subtract at least his 20 years (+ 9 months pregancy.) from Seth's birth after Adam's age, NOT THE START of the 7th Creative day. This would make the Adam and Eve Gap about 110 years long at most.

    That's 1975+110 years = 2085.

    Get it?

    Villabolo

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/community/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=249

    Though many have been taught to think of the Adam and Eve story of creation as historical fact, it is a Judeo-Christian myth that was meant to convey aspects of that particular belief system. Nor is the Adam and Eve story original, it seems to have been pieced together from earlier creation myths. The Adam and Eve myth raises an important issue: that the global popularity of the present Judeo-Christian values, beliefs and myths, as articulated by the bible and various Christian religions, are not because they are superior or better or even more accurate than other belief systems, but that they were accompanied by the superior weaponry and insatiable greed of the conquering Europeans. With the advent of the print press the Christian Bible was one of the first books to be mass produced.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    http://www.astradome.com/adam&eve_myth.htm

    The original Eve had no spouse except the serpent, a living phallus she created for her own sexual pleasure. Some ancient people regarded the Goddess and her serpent as their first parents. Sacred icons showed the Goddess giving life to a man, while her serpent coiled around the apple tree behind her. Deliberate misinterpretation of such icons produced ideas for revised creation myths like the one in Genesis. Some Jewish traditions of the first century B.C., however, identified Jehovah with the serpent deity who accompanied the Mother in her garden. Sometimes she was Eve, sometimes her name was given as Nahemah, Naama, or Namrael, who gave birth to Adam without the help of any male, even the serpent.

    Because Jehovah arrogantly pretended to be the sole Creator, Eve was obliged to punish him according to Gnostic scriptures, (although it does not say how). Though the Mother of All Living existed before everything, the God forgot she had made him and had given him some of her creative power. "He was even ignorant of his own Mother . . . It was because he was foolish and ignorant of his Mother that he said, "I am God, there is none beside me." Gnostic texts often show the creator reprimanded and punished for his arrogance by a feminine power greater and older than himself.

    The secret of God's "Name of power," the Tetragrammaton, was that three-quarters of it invoked not God - but Eve. YHWH, yod-he-vau-he, came from the Hebrew root HWH, meaning both "life" and "woman" - in Latin letters, E-V-E. With the addition of an "I" (yod), it amounted to the Goddess's invocation of her name as the Word of creation, a common idea in Egypt and other ancient lands.

    Gnostic scriptures said Adam was created by the power of Eve's word, not God's. Adam's name meant he was formed of clay moistened with blood, the female magic of adamah or "bloody clay." He didn't produce the Mother of All Living from his rib; in earlier Mesopotamian stories, he was produced by hers. The biblical idea was a reversal of older myths in which the Goddess brought forth a primal male ancestor, then made him her mate - the ubiquitous, archetypal divine-incest relationship traceable in every mythology. Furthermore, Gnostic scriptures said Eve not only created Adam and obtained his admission to heaven; she was the very soul within him, as Shakti was the soul of every Hindu god and yogi. Adam could not live without "power from the Mother," so she descended to earth as "the Good Spirit, the Thought of Light called by him "Life" (Hawwa)." She entered into Adam as his guiding spirit of conscience. "It is she who works at the creature, exerts herself on him, sets him in his own perfect temple, enlightens him on the origin of his deficiency, and shows him his (way of) ascent." Through her, Adam was able to rise above the ignorance imposed on him by the male God.

    By this Gnostic route came the Midrashic assertion that Adam and Eve were originally androgynous, like Shiva and his Shakti. She dwelt in him, and he in her; they were two souls united in one body, which God later tore apart, depriving them of their bliss of union. Cabalists took up the idea and said the paradise of Eden can be regained only when the two sexes are once more united; even God must be united with his female counterpart, the heavenly Eve called Shekina.

    It is interesting that the mythical story of the original "Eve", the "Mother of All Living" was lonely and so created a companion - Think about it. It is the dilemma of every women since the beginning of time. No matter how intelligent, successful, or accomplished she may be, without a mate or spouse - a woman feels incomplete - she feels lonely. Often, a woman will compromise on the man of her choice with hopes of changing him and bringing him up to her acceptable mental and emotional standards, often failing miserably. Most women would cherish a man who she could honor and hold in the highest esteem, but unfortunately, he falls from the projected pedestal. (Men will do this projection too on the woman he falls in love with. But here, he is projecting his own internal "anima" or spirit onto the real woman.)

  • ProdigalSon
  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    Maybe the great Jehovah PLANNED for Eve to not get knocked up until AFTER his intended great test?

    After all, it would really bugger up the no doubt already hatched plan B if not only were the imperfect naughty Adam and Eve running around populating the earth with imperfect kids, but there were also perfect offspring that would produce more perfect kids. That would get real messy and take far too much explaining in his yet to be released best seller, the Fable, er, Bible. That would have led to real overlapping generations!

    So, 'evidently' and 'apparently', Jehovah saw to it that eve would not fall pregnant until proven a good little obediant wifey.

    oz

  • Decided
    Decided

    Wonder what they thought of the blood running down Eve's bottom during her period?

    Ken P.

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    Thanks for the varied input...it really wasnt intended to be a debate on the validity of the Genesis story but just a musing about the length of time Eve took to get deceived...led astray...and if there was a gap of years/months....why no children?

    Loz x

  • factfinder
    factfinder

    I agree with Tammy. With no time limits, eternity ahead of them, where is the rush. They did not know what a time limit was- so they did not rush into anything! Time would mean nothing at all to them.

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    Time would mean nothing at all to them".... explain that to adams penis

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Adam had tried something more than shaking paws with most every animal. (It's in your Bible.) So, yes- he would have done as CyberJesus says above. He would have held her down if necessary, but it might have been the same type of sex that most of the animals were having. I doubt he would have lasted long those first several times and the penetration from behind would not have been deep. So those sperm didn't really have a chance of getting all the way upstream until Adam learned to have face-to-face sex.

    Either that, or Eve's perfect body killed those sperms as if they were foreign invaders until God "changed" Eve after her disobedience. Along with her birth pangs, He caused "birth" itself to be possible.

    ...but really, it's just a myth.

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