Congresswoman Shot in Tucson

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  • sooner7nc

    Jumpin' Jesus Christ! I sure am glad I'm an Independent!

    C'mon people, it should be clear by now that whichever idealogical group is currently in the minority is the one that's most vocal and says and does things that most of us normally find objectionable. The one thing that disturbs me the most however, is how adept the various talking heads of the major news outlets have become at enflaming the public. I think it would be beneficial to everyone if all the Keith Olbermanns, Glenn Becks, Rachel Maddows, and Michael Savages of this country were loaded on a plane with Michael Moore and taken to a remote deserted island and left there to fight, screw, or whatever came to mind.

  • BurnTheShips

    I'll repost. Says all that needs to be said:

    Sarah Palin's fault, SammieLee? Seriously?

    Talk about the left literally jumping the gun for political gain!

    Something happens, and it is suddenly the fault of Palin or the Tea Party.

    She wasn't announced "shot" for five minutes before the Left started to act like Palestinians and use her corpse as a political prop.

    If the shooters name had been Abdul or Mohammed, the Left would be tripping over itself admonishing the country not to jump to conclusions.

    But his name is Jared, so he must obviously be a Tea Partier!

    But wait.

    Here is what a classmate of the shooter had to say:

    "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."

    He was a liberal. From the Left.

    So who do we blame?

    Well, since according to Justitia's and SammieLee's drooling idiocy putting targets on a map of Congressional seats is responsible for murder, I will use their logic and blame the Democrats. I blame Markos Moulitsas, and Barack Obama.

    Check out the INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE!!!! ZOMG!!!!:



  • NeckBeard

    Journalists urged caution after Ft. Hood, now race to blame Palin after Arizona shooting

    On November 5, 2009, Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at a troop readiness center in Ft. Hood, Texas, killing 13 people. Within hours of the killings, the world knew that Hasan reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before he began shooting, visited websites associated with Islamist violence, wrote Internet postings justifying Muslim suicide bombings, considered U.S. forces his enemy, opposed American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as wars on Islam, and told a neighbor shortly before the shootings that he was going "to do good work for God." There was ample evidence, in other words, that the Ft. Hood attack was an act of Islamist violence.

    Nevertheless, public officials, journalists, and commentators were quick to caution that the public should not "jump to conclusions" about Hasan's motive. CNN, in particular, became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care.

    "The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN the night of the shootings.

    "We cannot jump to conclusions," said CNN's Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. "We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever."

    "I'm on Pentagon chat room," said former CIA operative Robert Baer on CNN, also the night of the shooting. "Right now, there's messages going back and forth, saying do not jump to the conclusion this had anything to do with Islam."

    The next day, President Obama underscored the rapidly-forming conventional wisdom when he told the country, "I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts." In the days that followed, CNN jouralists and guests repeatedly echoed the president's remarks.

    "We can't jump to conclusions," Army Gen. George Casey said on CNN November 8. The next day, political analyst Mark Halperin urged a "transparent" investigation into the shootings "so the American people don't jump to conclusions." And when Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra, then the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, suggested that the Ft. Hood attack was terrorism, CNN's John Roberts was quick to intervene. "Now, President Obama has asked people to be very cautious here and to not jump to conclusions," Roberts said to Hoekstra. "By saying that you believe this is an act of terror, are you jumping to a conclusion?"

    Fast forward a little more than a year, to January 8, 2011. In Tucson, Arizona, a 22 year-old man named Jared Lee Loughner opened fire at a political event, gravely wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing a federal judge and five others, and wounding 18. In the hours after the attack, little was known about Loughner beyond some bizarre and largely incomprehensible YouTube postings that, if anything, suggested he was mentally ill. Yet the network that had shown such caution in discussing the Ft. Hood shootings openly discussed the possibility that Loughner was inspired to violence by…Sarah Palin. Although there is no evidence that Loughner was in any way influenced by Palin, CNN was filled with speculation about the former Alaska governor.

    After reporting that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik had condemned what Dupnik called "the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government," CNN's Wolf Blitzer turned to congressional reporter Jessica Yellin for analysis. The sheriff "singled out some of the political rhetoric, as you point out, in creating the environment that allowed this kind of instance to happen," Yellin told Blitzer. "Even though, as you point out, this suspect is not cooperating with investigators, so we don't know the motive. President Obama also delivered that message, saying it's partly the political rhetoric that led to this. So that's why we want to bring up one of the themes that's burning up the social media right now. On Twitter and Facebook, there is a lot of talk, in particular, about Sarah Palin. As you might recall, back in March of last year, when the health care vote was coming to the floor of the House and this was all heating up, Palin tweeted out a message on Twitter saying 'common sense conservatives, don't retreat -- instead reload.' And she referred folks to her Facebook page. On that Facebook page was a list of Democratic members she was putting in crosshairs, and Gabrielle Giffords was one of those in the crosshairs."

    Yellin noted that Palin had "posted a statement on Facebook saying that 'my sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families and for peace and justice.'" Yellin continued: "And I should point out that Republican leaders in Washington have said that this is not a partisan issue, this is about violence, as have some tea party groups. But clearly this is a moment to talk about our political rhetoric."

    "It certainly is," Blitzer agreed. "But the question is, is there any evidence that the suspected shooter in this particular case was a Sarah Palin fan, read Sarah Palin's website, was a member on Facebook, watched her tweets, or anything like that?"

    "None at all," Yellin responded. "And there is no evidence that this was even inspired by rage over health care, broadly. So there is no overt connection between Sarah Palin, health care, and the [shootings]."

    Indeed, there is no "overt" or any other sort of connection between Loughner and Palin. If such evidence came to light, it would certainly be news. But without that evidence, and after a brief caveat, the CNN group went back to discussing the theory that Loughner acted out of rage inspired by Palin and other Republicans. Conclusions were jumped to all around.

    And it wasn't just CNN. Other media outlets were also filled with speculation about the attack and pronouncements on the state of American political rhetoric. What a markedly different situation from 15 months earlier when, in the face of actual evidence that Maj. Hasan was inspired by Islamist convictions, many media commentators sought to be voices of caution. Where was that caution after the shootings in Arizona?

  • lisaBObeesa
    sooner7nc said: I think it would be beneficial to everyone if all the Keith Olbermanns, Glenn Becks, Rachel Maddows, and Michael Savages of this country were loaded on a plane with Michael Moore and taken to a remote deserted island and left there to fight, screw, or whatever came to mind.


  • tenyearsafter

    Amen Sooner!

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    BTS, are you trying to compare my reasoned, analytical response (pasted below) on page four (not one) to your childish name-calling?

    Of course not, there is no comparison.

    To call these lies "drooling idiocy" isn't even in the same league. It is, in fact, an understatement.


    :) You know, when your only response is to consistently resort to name calling and perjoratives, it simply documents the weakness of your argument.

  • Giordano
    sooner7nc said: I think it would be beneficial to everyone if all the Keith Olbermanns, Glenn Becks, Rachel Maddows, and Michael Savages of this country were loaded on a plane with Michael Moore and taken to a remote deserted island and left there to fight, screw, or whatever came to mind.

    Not Rachel.....take the others..........take Mika and Joe..........I know, take Rush, they're going to need drugs. But Spare The Rachel, for all that is holy spare her!!!!!!

  • BizzyBee
    Of course, had she not tweeted her condolences
    Why does extending condolences equate with making a connection of culpability for the shooting???

    Out of character for Palin. She does absolutely nothing that is not to her direct benefit - not her style. For example, there is no evidence of her sending condolences to the families of the more prominent Sen. Robert Byrd or Ambassador Richard Holbrooke.

    However, Palin did make sure that she took down the map with Congresswoman Giffords in her crosshairs from her site BEFORE tweeting her condolences. Someone in her camp certainly made the connection, otherwise why change her website at that particularly moment? CYA first, you betcha'!

  • designs

    I read the story about the aide to the Congresswoman rushing to her side and helping with triage for other victims in those chaotic moments

  • beksbks

    This is what actually matters in all of this.

    In this undated photo provided by the Green family, Christina Green, 9, poses for a photo. Green was one of those killed in an attack on U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., a three-term lawmaker, who was shot in the head.

    Christina Green was a girl whose birthday meant something to her, even at nine years old.

    The Tucson girl was born on 9/11.

    "She was very patriotic," says Roy Smith, a friend of the Green family who's known them for 15 years. Her birthday "spurred a lot of interest in the country."

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