Strange, Offensive , Weird Statements on DFing Offenses in Elders Manual

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  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Fark baby,

    Here's a cluster of henna for you to play with:

    I wonder if this is where the term "fuster cluck" comes from?

    - NN

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Flipper asked, "How can you have your GENITALS MANIPULATED without skin-to-skin contact?"

    It's called "dry humping," and is just one of the many roads to perdition... I mean orgasm.

  • will_the_apostate

    i'm gonna go tell the elders that i have combined gluttony and porneia, and watch them scramble to look at their books

  • Hadit

    OMG! This is one funny thread! Between dry humping, titties being touched and all this talk of manipulation and O's! Oh my!

    If it wasn't all so pathetic and crazy one would think it was a bad script for a comedy/drama/horror film.

    Oh and I guess "casual touching of the sex organs" is perfectly fine! Just no "manipulation."

    No brother elders - I did not did not manipulate him! I just casually touched his organ . . repeatedly and very, very casually.

    The part about the suicide and rape is just plain infuriating. Sick bunch of men.

    As you said Flipper - mind control a la WT style!


  • OnTheWayOut
    How can you have your GENITALS MANIPULATED without skin-to-skin contact ?

    WTS is such a legalistic corporation and they mistrust the members and (to be fair) the members are trained to be similarly legalistic. So they throw this in because some JW's would say they groped and stroked the person through the thin layer of their underwear. Heck, they could use some Bill Clinton excuse and say there was no skin to skin because he unzipped and had a condom on. It's what WTS lawyers would do without such clarity on the issues.

    #7. I suppose they are worried about women fornicating and claiming rape to escape the JC. So they routinely still investigate. It is moronic. If a woman claims rape and there is no obvious already-known proof otherwise, then leave it be.

    #11. They even recently gave a legitimate reason why a man might be overnight in a woman's home. He leftthe gathering at her home and missed the last train, returned to her home and slept in a completely different room. They need to get out of prying into the members' lives. I understand a Bible religion saying that fornication is wrong (not disagreeing with Farkel, but knowing how religion is). So assume the members are not fornicating unless they come forward and confess. I can think of tons more reasons that two people might sleep under the same roof- many of which don't even involve missing a train or mechanical difficulty with the car, but also don't involve sex necessarily.

  • streets76

    Note for alert readers: NOTHING that Freddie Franz ever wrote in his over 70 years at Brooklyn is in print now.

    WOW. That is amazing when you think about it. I guess the same is true for Russell and Rutherford?

  • clearpoison

    Point 5. Easy thing concerning males at least. It doesn't even need to be thin underwear it could be thick jeans too. I can tell from personal experience that this is possible. When the dang is let us say excited you can have almost any clothes on and superior excitement is possible. So, actually we should have faced JC handling, but now it's so many years ago so it really do not matter. Hey, afterall I married her.


  • BluesBrother

    Definition of Bulimia Nervosa from Wiki

    These cycles often involve rapid and out-of-control eating, which may stop when the bulimic is interrupted by another person or the stomach hurts from overextension, followed by self-induced vomiting or other forms of purging

    19. Gluttony - A glutton routinely shows a lack of restraint , even gorging himself on food to the point of feeling very uncomfortable or becoming sick. Gluttony is determined, not by someone's size, but by his attitude toward food.

    I guess any teenage girls with eating disorders had better watch out, they may be hounded by a zealous committee rather than given the help that they need.....

  • straightshooter

    To be df for physical uncleanness is beyond stupid. Do they let the super-clean elder wife judge if another's living conditions meet that standard? Do elders that make shepherding calls now do so to verify if a place and person is clean? What about making surprised visits to make sure one is not cleaning a place just because the elders are visiting.

  • Vidiot

    OnTheWayOut - "...they mistrust the members..."

    This reminds me of a little spot in CoC talking about the growing list of DFing offences in the late 60s and early 70s.

    Ray was becoming concerned about how draconian the judicial restrictions on day-to-day living were becoming, and said as much to a GB colleague (I forget which), who responed to the effect that they were worried that if they left certain "iffy" things up to one's own concience, it would become a "slippery slope" that would lead to chaos and perdition. Ray responded by lamenting "do you not believe that enough brothers have a love of righteousness and self-control?" (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist). The answer, though unspoken, was obviously "no".

    This view isn't limited to the WT; virtually ALL conservative individuals and groups (religious or secular) take it as an article of faith that human beings are inherently bad and thusly need to be kept on a short leash for their own damn good. Unfortunately, there's plenty of OT and NT scriptures that can be used to back that up (not many in Jesus' teachings, though, from what I could see:D).

    In addition, it's also a BIG reason why the Genesis-as-literal-history meme is still hung onto like the last life jacket on the Titanic; it provides an ideological explanation for WHY humans are inherently bad. Without the Fall in Eden, a religious conservative is left with a huge existential quandary.

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