What "invisible" persons do you actually firmly believe in?? (and Why?)

by Terry 96 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    au contraire....AIW....I hear you can even add extra dimensions...mind over matter....


    These are interesting comments and the reason why I try to keep an open mind on this vast subject.

  • Hoping4Change
    Feel free to NOT think of a thinking entity with intelligence as a "person."
    The descriptions we get of God from scripture indicate PERSONALITY, however

    Good points. Actually, early this morning I got to thinking about this very thing, the idea of 'personality' indicating person-hood; and after all, the word appears to have it's origins as:

    (from http://wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/4025/?letter=a&page=1&spage=1&s=person)

    dramatis person ae 1. The characters in a play or story.
    2. A list of the characters in a play or story.

    so I guess one could refer to God as a 'person' - though I still dont like it as 'person' tends (in my mind at least) to indicate one like the other 7 billion of us, I do like 'entity' better myself. Also - all kinds of creatures have 'personalities' and 'temperments' but we wouldnt ever refer to them as persons.

  • Dark Side
    Dark Side


    Because I believe in LUCAS

  • JWoods

    Dark Side - do you ever use the force to jiggle the toilet valve when it won't quit running at night?

  • Dark Side
    Dark Side

    "Dark Side - do you ever use the force to jiggle the toilet valve when it won't quit running at night?"

    Hell no. I don't jiggle anything. I beat the hell out of it with a 24" pipe wrench.

    I go through more toilets that way

  • Terry

    You cannot see the wind, however, it's there. Is the wind tiny weenie? The earth, trees and rocks possess their own consciousness, and share a gestalt consciousness/mass, even as the living portions of your body.

    The wind consists of molecules of air becoming turbulent because of temperature differentials and the rotation of the Earth. Those molecules are demonstrable. "Consciousness" in rocks is something you need to sit down and rethink!

    You cannot see your thoughts. So does that mean that consious thought is only limited to the corporeal world?

    Why would you "see" your thoughts? Conscious thoughts are entirely dependant on our meat body (brain) and cannot exist apart from physicality.

    Does that mean that the series of cumulative, tiny weenie atoms, swirling together, to manifest your inner being is non existent because you cannot see the energy the moves you? Yes, and there is mass consciousness of which you are hardly aware.

    Energy? Come on, now. You're just messing with me, right? The motion of atoms IS energy. Energy isn't a THING! Energy is a way of talking about something in words which is more accurately described with mathematics. There is no such thing as energy. Note the word: thing.

    Multidimensional realities and landscapes do exist and have been proven by science as you are well aware. Atomic Consciousness is a fact.

    Oh baloney! I'm not buying this silliness. Let me be as precise as possible here. Science deals with mathematics. When you try and use language (words) to describe mathematical models you get silly and ridiculous people pretending things which are miles from being accurate.

    Quantum descriptions (in words) are just ludicrous indulgence in imagination. It is definitely NOT accurate to say Multidimensional realities and landscapes exist in the same sense that we speak of "exist" in every day language. Atomic "consciousness" is another misnomer. You can use a knife to eat peas, too--but, it is awkward and a waste of time.

    Demons existed in the 1st century only because people didn't understand schizophrenia and its manifestations. Their way of describing the behavior of persons suffering schizophrenia was that they were being possessed by invisible spirit creatures who were evil. Talking about mathematical models of dimensions is about as silly.

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    We Are All Made of Atoms even the wind, my friend.....

    This is as simple as it gets:


    In trying to answer the question “Who Am I?” it helps if you know a little about your material make up. We are more than just skin and bones. In his book Conceptual Physics Paul Hewitt gives a very interesting description of the atomic nature of matter.

    I was sitting in the faculty room with a fellow teacher, Ida, several years ago. “You know, how Castaneda says that there are separate realities. He argues that we accept this reality only because we are taught to do so from the moment of birth. Up in the badlands, I think I've come very close to entering a different dimension, another world where all the laws are different. I mean, when you stop to think about it, the world we accept as real is so absurd, so contradictory, so make believe that it hardly makes sense at all..."

    "Now wait a minute. I don't think I can agree with you there," Ida tells me as tiny wrinkles in her dark skinned face smooth with self-assurance. "It's not that difficult for me to know what's real. Reality is right here," she says tapping bright red fingernails on the table. "Reality is the snotty nosed six graders I have to face every day.”

    The bell rang for classes to begin before I could tell Ida that the reality she thought she was tapping on the solid table was not reality at all. A solid table is not all what our senses tell us it is. Our eyes cannot see the actuality of the table. Our fingers cannot feel what is actually beneath them. The table is made of atoms that are in constant motion. And in actuality it is mostly empty space. Our fingers do not penetrate the empty space because of the repulsion between our atoms and the table’s atoms.

    Everything is made of atoms, shoes, books, computers, trees, glass, tomatoes, stars, everything. There are only a little over a hundred atoms that combine to form everything that exists. Hewitt states that there are only ninety-two atoms that occur in nature. The rest are made in laboratories with high-energy atomic accelerators.

    The original atom was the hydrogen atom. Over ninety percent of the know universe is made of hydrogen atoms. All the other atoms are the result of explosion of stars. Most everything that exists is made of different combinations of only a dozen atoms. Living things are made up of just four atoms, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen.

    Atoms never die. The atoms in out body have existed since the beginning of time. We are connected to the distant past by the atoms that make up our material being. We are our distant past.

    When you breathe, you take in millions of atoms. Some of the atoms that you take in remain with you and become part of you. Others are exhaled and become a part of the atmosphere. We all share from the same atom pool. The atoms that were a part of your foot today may become a part of your neighbor’s hand tomorrow. If you sit in a classroom you share atoms with everyone else in the room. Think of the Atoms that are shared at an Oakland Raiders football game.

    Understanding that humans constantly share the atom pool gives a materialistic justification for the concept of universal oneness. Krishnamurti says, “You are the world.” And, on the atomic level this is true. Sometimes when I am in deep meditation, I feel my connection with everything that surrounds me, the trees, the grass, the stars. The atomic nature of matter shows that even on the material level this connection is real.

    Atoms are small. There are more atoms in the cap of a pen then there are in all the drops of water in the Pacific Ocean. Up until the last ten years or so no one had ever seen an atom. Atoms are smaller than the wavelengths of visible light. Atoms are made up mostly of empty space.

    I will give here a simplified explanation of atomic structure much of it borrowed from Hewitt’s text. Atoms are made up of a nucleus and electrons that revolve around it. The nucleus contains a nucleon that can be in an electrically neutral state, a neutron, or in an electrically positive state, a proton.

    The positive charge of the proton attracts electrons that are negatively charged. Each proton in the nucleus will attract one electron that will revolve around it like planets revolve around the sun.

    The nucleus contains almost all of the mass or weight of the atom, but it is very tiny. It occupies only one trillionth of the volume of the atom. This means that the nucleus is very dense. If bare atomic nuclei could be packed together into a lump the size of a pea, the lump would weigh 133,000,00 tons. Nuclei because of their positive charge always push each other away.

    Electrons are the particles that make up the flow of electricity in an electrical circuit. They are 2000 times lighter than the nucleus.

    The main characteristic that distinguishes one atom from another is the number of electrons revolving around their nucleus. Atoms will always have the same number of electrons and protons.

    Electrons revolve around the nucleus in shells. In the inner most shell are 2 electrons at most. In the second shell there are 8 electrons at most. In the third shell there are 18 electrons at most. There are seven shells in the largest atoms.

    All nuclei have positive charges and repel each other. Electrons have negative charges and repel each other. It is the electrical repulsion between our atoms and the table that keep our fingers from entering the empty space in the table.

    One of the problems we have in looking for Truth is seeing the difference between reality and actuality. If you look out your window, you can report the reality of what you see through your senses and your memory. If I look out the same window, I will report a different reality. But, there is the actuality, what is really there, and much of actuality cannot be recorded by the senses, the tree is made up of billions of atoms that are constantly interchanging with other atoms. Our senses don't record this actuality. The Truth is in the actuality not in the subjective reality that is mostly filtered through our lifetime conditioning.

    As far as God.."All That Is"? I don't believe in God the way most do. All That Is .....is just that in the deepest sense.

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Fundamentals of Neuroscience/Electrical Currents

    Basic Properties of Electrical Currents

    edit AIMS

    1. To Introduce the electron
    2. To Introduce the idea of Electron Shells
    3. To Introduce the idea of charge of an Atom
    4. To Introduce the idea of Ions as charged Atoms
    5. To Introduce the idea of Amperage as Current
    6. To introduce the idea of Ions moving in a particular direction as an Ion Current
    7. To introduce the idea of Voltage as EMF
    8. To introduce the idea of Capacitance

    edit Lesson

    Although Electricity in it's many forms is an interesting subject, in it's own right, the idea of this course is to give you enough of an understanding of how Electricity works in the Neuron to be able to make sense out of more advanced training opportunities. As such we aren't going to get into the advanced uses of electricity, or electronics, instead we will cover the basics, and then veer off from the normal approach to electricity to introduce concepts needed to understand how electricity works in neurons.

    [edit] The Electron

    At the heart of Electricity and Electronics, and even Neural Potentials, lies at least theoretically a sub-atomic particle called an electron. The electron is negatively charged, and orbits the Nucleus of the Atom, at about the speed of light. It is held in place by the electro-weak force, which is in turn caused by charge attraction between the light electron and the heavier protons that with neutrons makes up the Nucleus of the atom. It is thought that electricity happens when electrons break free of the atom they are normally part of, and wander among other atoms in the same cluster.

    [edit] Atomic Charge

    Since electrons can wander away from their original atoms, and get picked up by other atoms, the atoms that have more electrons than normal are considered to be negatively charged, and the atoms that have fewer electrons than normal are considered to be positively charged. Since electricity flows in the direction of lowest potential, Atoms that are negatively charged, will discharge their electrons to atoms that are positively charged, if the intervening atoms allow the transfer of electrons. We say that the electrons flow from the Negative charge to the positive charge, possibly since the original theory was that electricity was some sort of fluid.

    [edit] Ionic Charge

    We call an atom that is carrying a charge, whether it is negative or positive an Ion. In chemical systems based on water, many ions are created by the nature of water which levers apart many common chemicals into their component ions. If the external shell of the atom, called the Valence Shell, has an odd number of electrons, the ion usually has a negative charge, and if it has a positive number of electrons the ion usually has a positive charge. It is possible in some cases to strip off two valence electrons, in which case you end up with a double positively charged ion.

    [edit] Electric Transfer from Ion to Ion

    The Ability to allow a charge of electricity to travel from one location to another depends on the resistance of the intervening electrons to having their electrons stolen, and replaced. The looser the electro-weak forces holding onto the electrons, the less resistance to flow is found, and thus the greater the potential flow given a particular pool of electrons on one side of the system, and the pool of positively charged ions on the other. Electrical Charge is measured in Coulombs, where [1]

    • 1 Coulomb = 6.25 * 10 18 electrons.
    • The charge of a single electron is 1.6 * 10 -19 Coulombs.
    • 1 AMP is the amount of current flowing when 1 Coulomb per second passes a particular point in one second.
    [edit] Ion Currents

    Since Current is measured in Coulombs per second passing a point, it doesn't really matter whether the electrons are moving or the ions are moving. In fact it is the nature of electronics that we can postulate a flow counter to the flow of electrons that indicates the electrical force pushing the ions. We use this in welding by forcing metal ions to jump from a rod that consists of an electrical conductor surrounded by flux, to another piece of metal thus joining or building up the metal where it lands. In Neurons we often have to measure ionic currents where a specific ion is being transferred across the membrane, and thus affecting the charge stored in the neuron.

    [edit] Electrical Transfer from High to Low Potential

    In order for an electron to move from one atom to another, it requires an electro-motive force, to push it against the resistance of the intervening atoms. This force, measured in Volts, is the amount of energy symbolized by E needed to move an amount of charge symbolized by Q.

    One Volt is defined as the amount of potential difference between two points when one joule of energy is used to move one Coulomb of charge from the one point to the other. A joule is the amount of energy needed to move an object one meter against an opposing force of one newton (0.225 lb.)

    Given either Amperage and Voltage, voltage and resistance, or Amperage and resistance, you can calculate the third of these three factors, using the formula which is called Ohms law.

    [edit] Charge Separation across a Dielectric

    When resistance is high enough, electrons cannot flow across the resistant material, however they are still repulsed by each other by the electro-weak force, so when a resistance that is large enough to stop electron flow is found, the electrons tend to gather on one side of the material and the positive ions tend to gather on the other, until the voltage generated across the material exceeds it's dielectric constant, and a current begins to flow. We call this tendency for high resistance to result in a charge separation, capacitance. We call the highly resistive material a Dielectric, and the charge capacity of the capacitor is directly related to the plate size on each side of the dielectric.

    Capacitors are measured in Farads (F) and 1F = 1 Coulomb / 1 Volt

    [edit] The Cellular Membrane as a Capacitor

    By transferring ions across the Cellular membrane which is made of highly resistive materials, the net effect is that of turning the membrane into the dielectric of a capacitor. As ionic currents add to or subtract from the charge building up inside the neuron, the ions line up along the cell membrane attracted to the opposite charged ions on the other side of the membrane. If an ion is moving away from its own type of charge, the capacitance of the membrane acts to speed it on its way, if it can find a pore, or ion channel to flow through. However to move towards it's own type of charge, energy must be spent in the form of voltage to pass the current across the membrane. Thus ion channels that pump ions against the charge gradient of the membrane capacitance must burn energy usually in the form of ATP.

    As the charge builds up the Potential between the inside of the membrane and the outside of the membrane increases until it reaches the dielectric constant of the membrane, at which point the membrane depolarizes. Usually resulting in the firing of the cell. Thus understanding capacitance is important to understanding the nature of the cell membrane and how it impacts the firing of Neurons.

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Here's some math for you.

    How many atoms are in the human body?

    Would you settle for a whole bunch? I didn't think so. The number of atoms in one person is almost too big to write out. But fortunately there's a shorthand system, called scientific notation, that we use instead for writing really BIG or really SMALL numbers. Since huge numbers are generally just estimates anyway, we just use the first few numbers, followed by a code that tells you how many zeros would follow if you wrote it all out. Ok, here it goes. Hydrogen,oxygen and carbon make up about 99% of the average human. I'm going to cheat a little and leave out the other 1%, which is made up of trace elements (that is, stuff there's only a trace of in the body). Then, let's assume an average adult weighs 70 kilograms. Be sure to keep in mind that the following numbers are based on the number of atoms, not percent of body weight (by weight we are mostly oxygen). A 70 kg body would have approximately 7*10 27 atoms. That is, 7 followed by 27 zeros:


    Of that, 4.7*10 27 would be hydrogen atoms, which have one proton and one electron each. Another 1.8*10 27 would be oxygen, which has 8 protons, 8 neutrons and 8 electrons. There are 7.0*10 26 carbon atoms, which have 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. Now, let's add that all up:

    Hydrogen4.7*10 2704.7*10 27
    Oxygen1.4*10 281.4*10 281.4*10 28
    Carbon4.2*10 274.2*10 274.2*10 27
    Total2.3*10 281.8*10 282.3*10 28

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