Stephen Hawking knows more about heaven than Jesus did.

by moshe 124 Replies latest social current

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Sounds about right when things happen that people can't explain. That happens even today.

    The religious leaders of his time saw what he did, they saw enough evidence that, instead of saying "bullshit, it never happened", they accused him of using magic and sorcery to do these miracles, they even accused him in being in league with "satan".

    Whether what he did can NOW be explained or WILL be explained by quantum physics or by Jesus manipulating the inner energy all humans have, it doesn't change that he did SOMETHING different and verifiable enough to be accused of those things.

  • tec
    tec

    Sorry, NVL, missed your comment: What generation is THIS generation? Which generation would deserve proof?

    I had said - Anyway, why should this generation deserve proof; such as Jesus should have told people in the past something about the universe that we can only confirm now...

    But I said this in response to: Jesus could have told us something so remarkable about our universe that it would have taken us 2000 years to confirm Jesus' divine knowledge and prove he was the son of G-d. - Moshe

    Basically, I was asking the same question you did. Why should this generation deserve proof over any other generation? There is nothing about us that makes us any more or less special than any generation that came before.

    As for what generation this generation is: I consider generation to be every living person today.

    Tammy

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Let's not forget that Augustine Hippo was, 1500 years ago, postulating many of the things that quantum physists are doing today and have done in the past.

    Things like time-space continums, existence outside of temproal time and such.

  • awildflower
    awildflower

    The religious leaders of his time saw what he did

    Did anyone else? And write about it? These huge miracles?? I seriously want to know.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Did anyone else? And write about it? These huge miracles?? I seriously want to know.

    Outside of the NT and the non-canical works?

    Well, historians like Josephus and a few others, 2 roman and a greek one, I forget their names, wrote about Jesus and that he was condemed and what he was accused of, but no, there is no "independant, 3rd party" writings about his miracles, other than those.

    Of course, in terms of Historical viability, for the times, that would have been enough to make them "factual".

  • Caedes
    Caedes

    Since a rational view of Jesus' life is that there was a large period of time before anyone had the presence of mind to write down anything that Jesus allegedly said, it is probably unfair to then ask why such writings do not include scientific descriptions of the universe that would have been utterly meaningless to the average writer of the time.

    I would be very interested to know what JWood's credentials are for dismissing professor Hawking's scientific work.

    I have slowly come to the conclusion (in the past few years) that Stephen Hawking has been made into a "media scientist".
    I am afraid that he is not (and never really was) a contributor to cosmology on the very first level. Some good work, yes...but not great work. And some stuff in the past few years that makes not much sense at all.

    I'm sure the professor is devastated! LMAO

  • notverylikely
    notverylikely

    Basically, I was asking the same question you did. Why should this generation deserve proof over any other generation? There is nothing about us that makes us any more or less special than any generation that came before.

    As for what generation this generation is: I consider generation to be every living person today.

    Ah, gotcha

    PSac...

    Let's not forget that Augustine Hippo was, 1500 years ago, postulating many of the things that quantum physists are doing today and have done in the past.

    Things like time-space continums, existence outside of temproal time and such.

    Can you provide an example?

    Well, historians like Josephus and a few others, 2 roman and a greek one, I forget their names, wrote about Jesus and that he was condemed and what he was accused of, but no, there is no "independant, 3rd party" writings about his miracles, other than those.

    One of Josephus references was fake (added later) and the Roman one merely references the followers of Christus.

    So, no.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Can you provide an example?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

    an exerpt:

    The latter part of Augustine's Confessions consists of an extended meditation on the nature of time. Even the agnosticphilosopherBertrand Russell was impressed by this. He wrote, "a very admirable relativistic theory of time. ... It contains a better and clearer statement than Kant's of the subjective theory of time - a theory which, since Kant, has been widely accepted among philosophers." [34] Catholic theologians generally subscribe to Augustine's belief that God exists outside of time in the "eternal present"; that time only exists within the created universe because only in space is time discernible through motion and change. His meditations on the nature of time are closely linked to his consideration of the human ability of memory. Frances Yates in her 1966 study The Art of Memory argues that a brief passage of the Confessions, 10.8.12, in which Augustine writes of walking up a flight of stairs and entering the vast fields of memory [35] clearly indicates that the ancient Romans were aware of how to use explicit spatial and architectural metaphors as a mnemonic technique for organizing large amounts of information.

    One of Josephus references was fake (added later) and the Roman one merely references the followers of Christus

    There are a few good books on the matter, I suggest:

    The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, Second Edition The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, Second Edition

    Craig L. Blomberg

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread

    So, then, pretty much eveything that you did not experience PERSONALLY is suspect.

    After all, you didn't see it, and those who did could be lying.

    Judge Dread

  • notverylikely
    notverylikely

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

    That's a theological reference to time, bro. Gots nuttin to do with time as a property o the universe.

    Craig L. Blomberg

    Wake me when you can find an unbiased source that writes books on what the evidence says, not what he wants the evidence to say :)

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