The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

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  • scholar


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    The Bible has nothing to do with a king list because it does not supply that data as it does with the Kings of Judah and Israel. Neo-Babylonian chronology has commonly presented a king list by means of Ptolemy's canon but this list does not agree with other ancient historians.

    So your problem is first of all is provide a accurate king list that is reliable and trustworthy before you are able to make an criticism of 607 BCE or WT chronology.

    scholar JW

  • thetrueone

    Babylonian Chronicle for the year 605–595 BC. First published by Donald J. Wiseman in 1956, it records the last (21st) year of the reign of Nabopolassar and the first 11 years of his son Nebuchadnezzar. Among Nebuchadnezzar’s accomplishments was the capture of Jerusalem, dated precisely to March 16, 597 BC. The document is on display in the British Museum, London. Credit: Michael Luddeni

    The Bible describes the same events in some detail. When Nebuchadnezzar besieged and captured Jerusalem in 597 BC, Jehoiachin was on the throne. He took Jehoiachin, the royal family and important men in the kingdom to Babylon. He then placed Jehoiachin’s uncle, Mattaniah, on Judah’s throne and changed his name to Zedekiah (2 Kgs 24:11–17). Jehoiachin was a young man of 18 when he became king of Judah. He reigned but three months before being carried off to Babylon, where he lived out the rest of his days (2 Kgs 24:8, 12, 15; 25:27–30). Four tablets found in Nebuchadnezzar’s palace name Jehoiachin and his family as among those who were receiving rations from the king (Weidner 1939; Wiseman 1985: 81–82).

    Ration record from Babylon mentioning Jehoiachin. During Robert Koldeway’s excavations at Babylon at the turn of the 20th century, he discovered what archaeologists call the “Northern Palace,” most likely the royal residence of King Nebuchadnezzar. Koldeway found there a number of cuneiform-inscribed clay tablets dating to the years 594–569 BC. They list kings captured from throughout the ancient Near East who were living in the palace and receiving rations of grain and oil from the king. Four of the tablets list rations for “Jehoiachin, king of Judah” and his family. These tablets are today in the Pergamum Museum, Berlin. Credit: Walter Pasedag

    In his campaign against Jerusalem in 589–587 BC, Nebuchadnezzar laid waste all the fortified cities of Judah. While Jerusalem was being besieged, Jeremiah delivered a message to king Zedekiah concerning the fate that awaited him (Jer 34:1–7). The passage ends with the statement that the only fortified cities that were still holding out, apart from Jerusalem, were Lachish and Azekah (Jer 34:7). A group of 21 letters found at the site of Lachish date from this time period. They appear to be military communiqués sent to the military commander at Lachish from another outpost. The final words of Letter 4 echo those of Jeremiah 34:7: “we are watching the [fire] signals of Lachish…for we cannot see Azekah” (Pardee 2002: 80).

  • freydo

    The problem with jw's is they misinterpret the meaning of the dates and ignore others .

    "W hy do we disagree with secular historians? The secular chronology is based on interpreting ancient clay tablets, writings, and inscriptions. From these, they discern how long each Babylonian King ruled before the empire was conquered in 539 BCE. For a brief commentary on the secular evidence, see Appendix B."

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    Counting back from that date, and adding up what they have discerned to be the reigns of each king, 605 BCE is found to be the first year of mighty King Nebuchadnezzar. Jeremiah says this King destroyed the city of Jerusalem in his 19th year of rule. Hence, counting forward 19 years bring us to 587 BCE. Incidentally, this is also the method Christendom uses.

    Jehovah's Witnesses, on the other hand, believe something the secular historians do not. We believe the Bible is the inspired and inerrant word of God, so we take the Bible's prophecies into account when calculating ancient chronology. —See the charts to the right

    The prophet Daniel tells us, “Jerusalem will lie in ruins for seventy years.” (Daniel 9:2, Contemporary English Translation) However, the secular chronology disagrees with the Bible. Their chronology allows only fifty years – not seventy – from 587 BCE when Jerusalem was supposed to be destroyed, until the Jews returned home in 537 BCE.

    So, Jehovah's Witnesses will not accept secular chronology when it contradicts the Bible. Hence, counting back from 537 BCE (the year the Bible says the Jews returned home) for a full seventy years, we arrive at the year 607 BCE. That must be the year Jerusalem was destroyed. The secular date of 587 BCE, twenty years out, must be wrong. The following pages of this mini-site will show from other Bible prophecies why 607 BCE must be correct."

  • shamus100

    Holy crap, I'm away for two months and the same old people are talking the same old shite...

    Billy, keep shooting the fish in the barell.

    I can't believe scholar is still swimming around. It must take a real peice of work to come to ex-dub forms and try to look smart whilst looking like a real ass.

    Damn, keep trying, Scholar. Run forrest, RUN!

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Hey Shamus!

    Where ya been?

    Have you been off measuring the pyramid?

  • shamus100

    Hi Billie,

    You wouldn't understand where I've been. I'll just say it wasn't jail, LOL. And I'll be gone in another few weeks...

    But in my travels I did find scholar: Here's his picture.

  • thetrueone

    The prophet Daniel tells us, “Jerusalem will lie in ruins for seventy years.”

    Embellished stories are strung throughout the bible, this prophecy was obviously just another

    of the many and if don't think prophecies are made easily refer back to the many prophecies

    proclaimed by the Watchtower Society over the duration of their existence.

    I think its intellectually dishonest for the WTS. to hold on to 1914 and not make any mention that

    for many years this year was calculated out of pyramidology ideologies and was strongly held on to by the Bible Students.

    These calculations have been well hidden away from the eyes of the modern JWS though and probably for a very

    good reason. The fact is though that the return of Christ was one the the biggest marketing schemes played

    out by the WTS., it grew huge interest from the public back a hundred years from now, just as it does today.

    In a very real sense the WTS were true marketing geniuses.

  • freydo

    It wasn't calculated by ideology. And CTR didn't invent it. What it does is corroborate Biblical Chronology and symbolisms as well as many incontrovertable scientific facts that are readily available for those who would care to study the subject.

  • thetrueone

    It wasn't calculated by ideology. And CTR didn't invent it

    I know pyramidology wasn't created out of the mind of CTR , but this speculative theory of these supposed times of mankind

    were embraced by him and the B.S.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    The prophet Daniel tells us, “Jerusalem will lie in ruins for seventy years.” (Daniel 9:2, Contemporary English Translation) However, the secular chronology disagrees with the Bible. Their chronology allows only fifty years – not seventy – from 587 BCE when Jerusalem was supposed to be destroyed, until the Jews returned home in 537 BCE.

    So what, automagically the year they arrived back in Jerusalem it was no longer "in ruins?" I wasn't aware the Jews had an RBC running their quick-builds back then.

    What the JW/607 apologists refuse to admit to themselves is that their belief is NOT based on what the Bible says, but rather on THEIR INTERPRETATION of what the Bible says.

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