@ sad michael;
Have you all lost the ability to get the sense of it ? The idea is that if he (satan) gets enough dirt stirred up we'll not be able to see the truth
JEHOVAH sees all that is happening in his organization, and relies on us to either sort out the truth from the muck or forgive anyone who can't/doesn't.
All of us should be ashamed when we blame Brooklyn and the GB for our own lack of holy spirit in dealing with the flock whether we are elders or publishers. It's not our flock it's JESUS' he is the fine shepard and all the rest are, at best clever imitations. Sure we miss the mark sometimes, but what GOOD does it accomplish to beat the dead horse of contradicting public talks or WT articles. Just keep putting up with one another and pray for holy spirit to guide us so that our own clean conscience can stay that way. This not only applies to the marriage bed, but to the car group if we partake in tearing apart our own brothers and sisters.
I love you all, but can't we just get along???
I seem to see alot of JW bashing going on here.............where's the love?
Firstly, welcome to JWN. It's interesting to see another 'newbie' appear on this thread, you along with Pilchard.
You said;
JEHOVAH sees all that is happening in his organization, and relies on us to either sort out the truth from the muck or forgive anyone who can't/doesn't.
I'm let the comment about Jehovah's organization pass. But I do wish to pick up on this point about Jehovah relying "on us" to sort out the truth from the muck. I personally have already done that. My wife and I spent almost 3 weeks solidly studying WTS doctrine to prove to ourselves it was the truth from the Bible. We were unable to find any truth in WTS doctrine. So, having sorted out the truth from the muck, we ceased attending JW meetings and promoting their doctrine in the public ministry.
However, now that we'd done that, exactly how - in your estimation - could we have an impact on the organisation? Would the organisation listen to us when we showed them from the Bible who they were - by Biblical definition - false prophets? Well, we spoke to the local elders. They dismissed what we had to say. Through time we left and were disassociated by our actions.
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All of us should be ashamed when we blame Brooklyn and the GB for our own lack of holy spirit in dealing with the flock whether we are elders or publishers
I'm sorry but, why are we not to blame the Governing Body? They write the articles. They alone claim to have God's Holy Spirit. They teach that they are the "mediators between us and the deep things of God" and that we should first of all go to their publications to find spiritual truth. Please explain who we should blame when they print erroneous teachings and false prophecies or when they teach that organ transplants = eating another person?
As for "our own lack of holy spirit", Jehovah's Witnesses are told they can only "cultivate the fruits of the spirit" and that the "faithful and discreet slave" only have true access to the Holy Spirit, having been anointed by it.
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Sure we miss the mark sometimes, but what GOOD does it accomplish to beat the dead horse of contradicting public talks or WT articles.
If a JW wishes to continually argue that the Governing Body is right and within their jurisdiction to interfere with marital relations, then I'm pretty sure people like me on this forum will argue that, actually, they have no such right. You say "contradicting public talks or WT articles" as if these are infallible and not open to contradiction. These articles and outlines are written by men who freely admit to being imperfect and uninspired, yet these same men say what they write is not to be questioned or criticised. Does that really make sense to you?
You said;
Just keep putting up with one another and pray for holy spirit to guide us so that our own clean conscience can stay that way.
I've already done that. I prayed intently for the Holy Spirit daily during our period of examining WT doctrine. Guess what, the Spirit of Truth - the one that Christ promised - led us to see from the Bible that the WTS has no right to claim to be God's mouthpiece on earth. So, with a clean conscience, forgiven by the shed blood of my Saviour Christ, I left the Watch Tower Society and stepped into the glorious light of truth from my Master Christ. He set me free with his shed blood, just as he promised he would in the Bible.
I praise and worship him alone as my leader, teacher, king and saviour.
You said;
I seem to see alot of JW bashing going on here.............where's the love?
I don't see any JW bashing. JWs are people who have been misled by a powerful, wealthy corporation in New York. The bashing you're seeing here is the bashing of that very corporation that has enslaved the minds of our families, our friends, our loved one and has done so in the name of God.
So, welcome to the board, great to have you here.
