Dark Impulses

by coolhandluke 124 Replies latest members adult

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Let me put it this way (and I don't mean to suggest that CHL is anywhere in this scenario):

    You're facilitating group therapy. There are several men of various ages. One says:

    It's pretty scary. I just see myself bashing him with a tire iron over and over again. I don't know what I might do when I see them again.

    Another one says:

    I have nothing but love and affection for them. It would never occur to me to harm them, or let them come to harm. They're the apple of my eye.

    Can you spot the perpetrator? Hint: of course this is a loaded example.

  • changeling
    changeling

    ...and yet another, out of the blue, says: "I would like to light a match and watch people burn for my own pleasure..."

    Which one would you hang out with?

  • changeling
    changeling

    But, hey, they're in therapy, right? Good start, I say!

    changeling :)

  • calico
    calico

    I understand what you are saying--but I don't wish harm on anyone-does that mean I'm messed up?

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    I'm not a therapist, so the next time I see my therapist on Friday I'll ask him your question and I'll tell him the context of the question. But I will leave you with this: When a person tells me who they are, I believe them.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    People really do judge by appearance don't they?

    Irrelevent what the individual does with their life, just as they long as they say the right thing and look good doing it, eh?

    Chris

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    What I notice is CHL's first paragraph is quoted ad nausem in this thread. But the second, in his original post is not:

    i love people. i love to make them smile. internal peace exported externally is my constant goal. if i can find and champion a cause that i believe in, the day is better. this is my sunny self.

    But let's just brush this past as it makes quick and easy judgments too difficult.

    You know human beings are complex creatures. We're not ALL good or ALL bad. Every single one of us has a mixture of both.

    It's what we do, rather than what thoughts enter our head that define who we really are. We are the sum total of our actions; not our impulses, not our thoughts, but our actions.

    Is it that hard to understand?

    Chris

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Changeling: and yet another, out of the blue, says: "I would like to light a match and watch people burn for my own pleasure..."

    And that's just the point. The context is being ignored. As Big Tex so effectively points out above. It's not out of the blue. "Of course I would never do this" ("This is my shadow") has been utterly left out of the equation.

    Calico: I don't wish harm on anyone-does that mean I'm messed up?

    Of course not.

    MrsJones: When you ask your therapist, remember to tell him the end of the conversation, too:

    Person A: "Of course I would never do that."

    Person B: "Those kids wanted to have sex with me."

  • Domina
    Domina

    What I got from his post, and what others got was different. I took context in. But I also took the fact that this was about love- IMO, shadow and 'wus' self were being melded because of being in love. This was taking very literal by some, and while I am new... I would suggest perhaps looking up something like shadow self before condemning? Also... while I am not into BDSM, maybe a spanking, but not the hardcore stuff, I find it offensive that so many people jumped straight to the conclusion that someone is sick and needs psychiatric help. There is a big difference between what he stated, and being a child molester, or Charles Manson. While people jumped to the conclusion he was itching to hurt people, if you take notice, it was very general. It was not geared to a specific person, group of persons... and it was denoting chaos, to watch the world burn is not saying he is lighting up the world, more that he caused chaos, he rocked the boat on an epic scale and got to take credit for it. IMHO anyway, that is what it said to me. Our shadow self, while darker is not evil... It is often the non PC, the bitch within, the one who wants to take what we deserve. It is in combat with the lighter self- polite, may get stepped on to avoid confrontation... the softer side. Neither is wrong, we need to be able to meld the two to be complete. Not everything is cotton candy and rainbows inside... there is dirt and grit and heartache that feels like it can tear us apart. Avoiding the parts of us that are not 'acceptable' means we are lying. To ourselves, to others... to a deity, should we be following one. To me, the OP was metaphorical, and many took it very literally. As for saying that there is something wrong with wanting to see someone suffer... then something is wrong with me. I was raped... and I entertain the fantasy that should he get caught, he gets a long term in prison with bubba 'the very large', as his cell mate. I would that he gets butt raped and is as scared as I. You can say all you want about how bad a person I am, but this is my fantasy. He took something from me, and that silly little violent fantasy makes me feel like I have some power back. I have come a far way from the person I was. I can recognize fantasy from reality. His post was not literal, and he should not be condemned for a generalization that was obviously not meaning he was gonna light us all up lols. There are some that are more sensitive to pain. I would actually consider myself one of them. I can feel people, take that as you will. But there is a big difference between actually committing an act, and fantasy. Those who fantasize dont automatically go out and commit said heinous act. I am surprised how many read the post.. and did not actually read all of it. They clamped down on one point... and held on for dear life, even when it was pointed out that there was more to it. One last thought before I step off my soap box. Realization and actualization are very different. To know something about yourself does NOT mean you will carry out that knowledge- good or bad. Namaste

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    As for saying that there is something wrong with wanting to see someone suffer... then something is wrong with me. I was raped... and I entertain the fantasy that should he get caught, he gets a long term in prison with bubba 'the very large', as his cell mate. I would that he gets butt raped and is as scared as I. You can say all you want about how bad a person I am, but this is my fantasy. He took something from me, and that silly little violent fantasy makes me feel like I have some power back. I

    Most survivors of abuse feel this way. It is a normal, natural feeling. But having a feeling, and acting on it, are two very very different things.

    At the end of the day, do no harm to others, help where you can and call it all good.

    Chris

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