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  • hawkaw


    Yesterday I had a long talk with DPI over another issue of getting documents. DPI has just about had enough of me but I really don't care. If they want to screw me around I can screw back.

    But the DPI did divulge something that is really important that I never knew and I think it is important that this be disclosed publicly now if it hasn't already been (Note: in the event I step on someone's toes - sorry if it has already been disclosed).

    In order to stay accredited as an "associate" with DPI the NGO must complete an "annual accreditation form". For next year, 2002, the form is titled "Year 2002 Accreditation" Form. For this year, the Watchtower completed the "Year 2001 Acrreditation" Form issued by DPI. If the NGO does not fill this form out annually and provide it to DPI, the NGO is "dissassociated" from DPI.

    This is important because the form has to be filled out every year and must have any corporation changes documented in the form.

    DPI has told me this form is an "internal" form and not to be released to the public even as a blank form - quite frankly these people are really starting to bug me - they call themselves the "department of public information" but in reality it is the "department of cover your ass".

    However, I am aware of a NGO that associates with DPI who lives close to me. I will be in contact with this NGO who is associated with DPI hopefully this week and I will see what I can do to show you what the form looks like.

    Again this is important because it will show that the Governing Body adn others at Bethal knew about the application back in 1992, the accreditation in 1992 and the annual forms that had to be completed from 1993 to 2001.


  • zev


    -August 8th, 2001 - The day the lambs ROARED

  • hawkaw

    Alan Emailed me the other day explaining his difficulty in trying to get the point home about what the criteria was for NGOs wanting to associate with DPI. Wendy and I gave you the old press releases and I aslo gave you Paul Hoeffel's letter.

    But Tribolite went one further with the United Nations and the "resolutions" which explain the criteria used by DPI. So I will try and explain what I posted to Alan to explain what the situation would have been back in 1991/1992 when the Watchtower applied for associate status.

    The criteria used by DPI for accrediting NGOs was officially listed in the resolutions passed in 1968 by the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). Article 71 of the United Nations Charter puts the ECOSOC in charge of NGOs.

    Here is some more information which deals with the resolutions of the ECOSOC (Economic and Social Council) that really helps get "tribolites" point across about the criteria.

    Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) resolution 1297 of 27 May 1968 authorized formal NGO association with DPI.


    Note what paragraph 6 states:

    6. Recommends that the Secretary-General bear in mind the letter and spirit of Council resolution 1296 (XLIV) governing consultative status, in associating international and national non-governmental organizations with the Office of Public Information;

    For the record, Office of Public Information; equal Department of Public Information or DPI.

    This means that all NGOs who want to associate with DPI must meet "the letter and spirit of Council resolution 1296 (XLIV) governing consultative status".

    So what does Resolution 1296 (XLIV) say?

    Well lets go here to see resolution 1296 that was issued in 1967:


    Now read the following section in Resolution 1296:

    Part I

    There were 11 principles to be applied to establish the relation for consultative relations. Now remember Resolution 1297 which said "NGOs who want to associate with DPI must meet "the letter and spirit of Council resolution 1296 governing consultative status".

    Now look at Principles 2, 3

    2. The aims and purposes of the organization shall be in conformity with the spirit, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

    3. The organization shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities.

    Its your nail in the WTS coffin for any body who thinks that WTS didn't know what they were getting into - use it.


  • Trilobite

    This is a _very_ useful link that collects a lot of UN documents together. It may have been posted before - rules:

  • JT

    you guys are good!!!!!!!

    the lifting of the curtain to reveal the little man behind the curtain is simply amazing

    in all my years as a "Society Man" i knew that Theocratic warfare was often used, but to have SEX with the Beast

    now that takes it too a whole new level- despite what many loyal jw will do - dismiss it all as jah is in charge routine- the lurkers and fence riders will see the wt for what it truly is

    so despite all the meetings, books , talks they will know as they sit there in the Hall that the Org speaks clearly out both sides of thier mouth

  • hawkaw


    This 1968 resolution 1296 Principle 2 is a real killer if you ask me. Principle 2 states "The aims and purposes of the organization shall be in conformity with the spirit, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations". This principle 2 stays the same in the 1996 update resolution.

    In the DPI's web site they talk about support UN charter etc.

    But when you read Principle 2 it uses the word "conformity".

    Last time I checked a dictionary "comformity" means "obedience".

    In other words the Watchtower had to "obey" the spirt, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.


  • Trilobite


    I agree. The ultimate authoritative sources are the Resolutions and the fact that the rules were in place in 1968 for goodness sake demolishes any claims that the rules somehow changed.

    Also, NGO's are requited to submit examples of literature that supports UN goals. This is available for public inspection. If wanna i sgoing to visit, it would be highly informative to see what the WTS has submitted. If copies oculd be obtained....



  • hawkaw


    I just sent Randy and Kent an Email to post the above-noted essay on their web sites with a few minor changes on it. I have requested both are "web names" as the author.

    You are so right about the resolutions. I remember last week or was it the week before when the resolutions were being posted on the big thread. I knew I had gone through them and read them but I get so busy with other crap I forgot how important they are.


  • hawkaw

    The United Nations Charter that the Watchtower was required to support when it was associated with DPI from 1992 to 2001 does contain some real interesting reading. Why look at Chapter 7. What does Chapter 7 deal with? Why some of it deals with the use of "armed force" and "military measures" when there is a threat to peace!!!!

    Gee I wonder what those Witnesses who are in prison for not being able to do manditory miltary duty think about the Watchtower VOLUNTARILY agreeing to and SUPPORTING the use of "military measures" in certain situations over the last 10 years?

    Below is the United Nations Charter, Chapter 7, Articles 39 to 51.



    Article 39
    The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

    Article 40
    In order to prevent an aggravation of the situation, the Security Council may, before making the recommendations or deciding upon the measures provided for in Article 39, call upon the parties concerned to comply with such provisional measures as it deems necessary or desirable. Such provisional measures shall be without prejudice to the rights, claims, or position of the parties concerned. The Security Council shall duly take account of failure to comply with such provisional measures.

    Article 41
    The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.

    Article 42
    Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

    Article 43
    1. All Members of the United Nations, in order to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security, undertake to make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage, necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

    2. Such agreement or agreements shall govern the numbers and types of forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of the facilities and assistance to be provided.

    3. The agreement or agreements shall be negotiated as soon as possible on the initiative of the Security Council. They shall be concluded between the Security Council and Members or between the Security Council and groups of Members and shall be subject to ratification by the signatory states in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.

    Article 44
    When the Security Council has decided to use force it shall, before calling upon a Member not represented on it to provide armed forces in fulfilment of the obligations assumed under Article 43, invite that Member, if the Member so desires, to participate in the decisions of the Security Council concerning the employment of contingents of that Member's armed forces.

    Article 45
    In order to enable the United Nations to take urgent military measures, Members shall hold immediately available national air-force contingents for combined international enforcement action. The strength and degree of readiness of these contingents and plans for their combined action shall be determined within the limits laid down in the special agreement or agreements referred to in Article 43, by the Security Council with the assistance of the Military Staff Committee.

    Article 46
    Plans for the application of armed force shall be made by the Security Council with the assistance of the Military Staff Committee.

    Article 47
    1. There shall be established a Military Staff Committee to advise and assist the Security Council on all questions relating to the Security Council's military requirements for the maintenance of international peace and security, the employment and command of forces placed at its disposal, the regulation of armaments, and possible disarmament.

    2. The Military Staff Committee shall consist of the Chiefs of Staff of the permanent members of the Security Council or their representatives. Any Member of the United Nations not permanently represented on the Committee shall be invited by the Committee to be associated with it when the efficient discharge of the Committee's responsibilities requires the participation of that Member in its work.

    3. The Military Staff Committee shall be responsible under the Security Council for the strategic direction of any armed forces placed at the disposal of the Security Council. Questions relating to the command of such forces shall be worked out subsequently.

    4. The Military Staff Committee, with the authorization of the Security Council and after consultation with appropriate regional agencies, may establish regional sub-committees.

    Article 48
    1. The action required to carry out the decisions of the Security Council for the maintenance of international peace and security shall be taken by all the Members of the United Nations or by some of them, as the Security Council may determine.

    2. Such decisions shall be carried out by the Members of the United Nations directly and through their action in the appropriate international agencies of which they remembers.

    Article 49
    The Members of the United Nations shall join in affording mutual assistance in carrying out the measures decided upon by the Security Council.

    Article 50
    If preventive or enforcement measures against any state are taken by the Security Council, any other state, whether a Member of the United Nations or not, which finds itself confronted with special economic problems arising from the carrying out of those measures shall have the right to consult the Security Council with regard to a solution of those problems.

    Article 51
    Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

  • wannahelp


    Do you know where I could review those documents about the 'literature'?

    The current plan is to goto the UN on Thursday..

    If you can tell me how I might find those documents, I'd be more than happy to look them up, and see if I can get copies for us!!!

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